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Topic: Homosexuality, the natural choice? (Gay Animals are Common)
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Fosdick 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Message 270 of 306 (376529)
01-12-2007 1:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 269 by crashfrog
01-12-2007 12:52 PM
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Re: Trolls, Bigots, Pimps, and Liars
OK Let's start with post #1, by Jagz Beach:
Interesting article on the subject.
this one Happy V-day everyone {Note from Adminnemooseus: The above cited article is titled "Gay Animals are Common". I think I'll edit that into the topic title}
I certainly did respond to that. The whole thrust of my interest here is whether or not gay behavior is natural. Since it seems to be, then I must conclude that gay behavior is NOT a choice. Given that, I take the position that gays should be granted their civil-union rights. How am I doing so far? ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Civil union IS the soilution
How about addressing 18 pages of argument that civil unions aren't an acceptable solution, particularly since they don't fucking exist?
Well, if they don't fucking exists then how do you know they are not the fucking solution? ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Re: Civil union IS the soilution
crashfrog responded to my question:
Well, if they don't fucking exists then how do you know they are not the fucking solution?
Do you see what I mean about you not taking this seriously?
What are you talking about? It's good question. If you can't or won't answer it then you're the one not taking this seriously. ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Dan Carroll wrote: If you keep soilutioning yourself, you should probably calm down. The really obvious fact about civil unions, that a separate institution is inherently unequal, has been explained you so many times that my semi-retarded dog has started rolling his eyes every time you fail to get it. It's kind of cute, actually.
Danny Boy, if you can refer to your semi-retarded dog in these posts I ought get away with a sailboat reference once in a while. This "really obvious fact" of yours about civil unions? WHY is a separate institution for gays inherently unequal? By what principles of equality? Is it the principle that just because you believe it to be true then it is automatically a fact. Gimme something sustantial. What's wrong with trying civi unions? ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Message 280 of 306 (376567)
01-12-2007 6:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 278 by ringo
01-12-2007 5:58 PM
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Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Ringo wrote: That's like asking, "How do you know unicorns aren't the solution to world hunger?"
Unicorns don't exist because they are gay, and thus they can't reproduce. Maybe straight unicorns ARE the answer to world hunger. But more to the point, I really don't see why granting gays their full civil-union rights should be offensive or ineffectual to them. If they want to call themselves "married," that's OK. But I don't see why the law needs to. I'm remined that DC has passed several brainstones over the FACT that gays CAN get married, if they do it according to tradition. And I also take notice that heterosexual people MAY NOT marry members of the same sex. You don't hear THEM bitching about it. ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Re: Civil union IS the soilution
DC writes: Gosh, we already went over that four days ago. But here you are, blindly repeating yourself as though nothing was said.
Gosh, first to ask me to repeat myself, then you blame me for repearting myself. I'm so confused I may need to consult Dr. Laura (who hates the gays like guinea worms!). ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Message 288 of 306 (376584)
01-12-2007 6:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 284 by ringo
01-12-2007 6:24 PM
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Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Ringo writes: On the contrary, almost everybody who is bitching about it on this thread is heterosexual. I DO want the right to marry the person of my choice, without anybody looking under his/her skirt to check his/her qualifications.
Why wouldn't a civil union for same sexes work? If you wanted to say you are "married," fine. But why does the law need to say it, especially if it were to provide for equivalent civil-union rights?
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Fosdick
Suspended Member (Idle past 5518 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: 12-11-2006
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Message 299 of 306 (376603)
01-12-2007 8:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 297 by AZPaul3
01-12-2007 8:07 PM
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AZPaul3 wrote: Interesting discussion, however.
It certainly is. It's a bit like the abortion-rights debate, in that those who oppose abortions want their opinions to apply to everyone. Abortion rights DO NOT mean that a woman must get an abortion even if she doesn't want one. The outlawing of abortion means that no one can get an abortion, legally, whether they want one or not. Same's true in a parallel way in this gay-marriage debate: If civil union is effectively available to gays then they have a choice to be civially united, or not. But why should gays insist that "marriage" must legally apply to everybody who is civilly united or otherwise, whether or not he or she wants it to? (Yes, it's a lame one, but it's the best I got right now.) ”Hoot Mon
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