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Percy
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Message 196 of 308 (364289)
11-17-2006 7:18 AM


No new news, but...
The Pensacola News Journal site is kind of weird. Though many of the links to old articles about Hovind still work, you can't find them through the site's search facility.

Anyway, I was checking to see if there was any new news about Hovind and found this much more human article about the end of the trial, also apparently from the Pensacola News Journal, and one that if it was posted here in this thread that I somehow missed: Kent Hovind, ‘Dr. Dino,’ guilty on all counts. Some excerpts:

Pensacola evangelist and tax protester Kent Hovind winked at his wife and gave her a reassuring smile as he was led away to jail.

...

A 12-person jury deliberated for 21/2 hours on Thursday before finding the couple guilty of all counts in their tax-fraud case.

Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faces a maximum of 288 years in prison.

Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements. She faces up to 225 years in prison but was allowed to remain free pending the couple’s sentencing on Jan. 9.

...

The jury also granted the prosecution’s request for the Hovinds to forfeit $430,400. That amount equals the value of the checks signed and cashed by Jo Hovind in the 44 counts.

...

U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers released Jo Hovind until sentencing but denied Kent Hovind’s request to be released. He most likely will be detained at either Escambia County Jail or Santa Rosa County Jail until sentencing.

Heldmyer said Kent Hovind was a flight risk and a “danger to the community.”

...

Richard Hogan, an acquaintance of Kent Hovind who observed the last day of the two-week trial, said he felt especially bad for Jo Hovind.

“He was the leader, and she probably went along with him,” said Hogan, 53. He first met the Hovinds when their children were homeschooled.

I didn't realize that apparently, at this very moment, Kent Hovind is sitting in jail.

--Percy


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Message 197 of 308 (364296)
11-17-2006 8:38 AM
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11-17-2006 7:18 AM


Re: No new news, but...
I have read someplace the sentancing will be on Jan 7th.

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Message 198 of 308 (364306)
11-17-2006 9:20 AM
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11-17-2006 7:18 AM


Re: No new news, but...
Sweet isn't it?

I personally find using google news is easier than going to PensacolaNewsJournal.

Edited by Modulous, : shortening url


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Percy
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Message 199 of 308 (364307)
11-17-2006 9:33 AM
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11-17-2006 9:20 AM


Re: No new news, but...
Modulous writes:

Sweet isn't it?

Yes, unbelievably so. I almost feel guilty. But I pay my income taxes, I pay my property taxes, and when we put an addition on the house we filed for permits and the work was inspected several times. I tell the truth not as I see it but as I have actually verified it to best of my ability. When I'm wrong and I'm corrected I don't continue repeating my errors. And here I sit in my study with my hot cup of steaming coffee in front of my computer listening to my music in the comfort of my home (yes, there's cats, but nothing's perfect).

And Hovind sits in a cell with an open toilet amidst rudeness and crudeness with his mind focused on lawyers and trials and appeals and general concerns about his and his family's future.

Yes, Virginia, there is a God!

--Percy


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Message 200 of 308 (364317)
11-17-2006 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Percy
11-17-2006 7:18 AM


What about the employees?
I have still not been able to find out if anything will be done to protect his employees. While it mentions confiscating $430,000.00 (honestly, how many members at EvC could have $430,000.00 confiscated? If they tried that with me a figure closer to $430.00 might, depending on the time of the month, be possible.), it doesn't say anything about the income tax liability or FICA payments and contributions that his employees are liable for.

If, like good citizens they each declared their cash payments and paid taxes on them the employees will have no outstanding liabilities, but if not, those folk too will face paying back taxes and penalties. But even more than that, what Hovind INC did hurt their futures. By not paying into their Social Security accounts he has reduced their potential retirement possibilities.

The amount in the charges was $845,000 in employee-related taxes. That is employees only. The $430,000.00 that was ordered confiscated, even if collected, is still not enough to cover those employee related taxes.


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Message 201 of 308 (364459)
11-17-2006 9:27 PM
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11-17-2006 7:18 AM


Re: No new news, but...
Heldmyer said Kent Hovind was a ... “danger to the community.”

and not just the one there in Pensacola.

I didn't realize that apparently, at this very moment, Kent Hovind is sitting in jail.

Should give him time to meditate on the errors of his ways.


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Message 202 of 308 (377961)
01-19-2007 3:03 AM


Sentencing today:
Heads up folks, first thing this morning, the sentencing happens.

Final bets please...


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Message 203 of 308 (377962)
01-19-2007 3:18 AM
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01-19-2007 3:03 AM


Re: Sentencing today:
Heads up folks, first thing this morning, the sentencing happens.
Final bets please...

I predict: No jail time for the wife, no more than 5 years for Hovind himself.


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Message 204 of 308 (377965)
01-19-2007 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Modulous
01-19-2007 3:03 AM


Re: Sentencing today:
I wonder where all the "liberal, anti-Christian" media and populace are? Shouldn't we be out there screaming for him to rot in prison? Shouldn't my local "extreme liberal" newspaper (the NY Times) be calling for his head for daring to be a Christian and a creationist at the same time? I mean, he is a martyr for the cause, is he not? A big-profile case involving a poor, trod upon truth speaker? Or is it just a small profile, tax evasion case involving a con man who wants to dupe people and also get their money while avoiding taxes to line his pockets even more.

I make my money by working hard. I pay my taxes (even tho I do not agree where some of these taxes go) because it means I get to work every day on the subway or, when I lived in an area with little public transportation, that I can drive to work on decent roads or that I have a cheap avenue to fight against (some) unscrupulous landlords or that I can get health care for a reasonable price without health insurance (but, "god help me" if I have an emergency) due to grants to community health services and universities or that my nieces and nephews get a good education or that I can go back to school and get a new degree without having to put in 20 hour days of school and work.

I know (and lament the fact that) these issues are of little concern to many in this country.

But, I pay my taxes to support this war that I do not support, I pay my taxes to support HUGE factory farms and HUGE energy conglomerates, and HUGE corporations and (now under Pres. Bush, HUGE religious organizations) that I do not feel have any more right to "their money" than I do, especially when I am the one breaking my back to make them their money. But, I pay my goddamn taxes as well as help out my "fellow man" out of my own pocket because I know that charity our of the goodness of our hearts only goes so far. Usually as far as our "hearts" allow.

Our government probably spent more prosecuting this sorry excuse for a Christian than they will get out of him and I am saddened by that. If he wasn't so concerned about saving people's souls from the devil's evolution, he might have helped save some people from hell on earth.


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Percy
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Message 205 of 308 (377993)
01-19-2007 8:52 AM
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01-19-2007 3:03 AM


Re: Sentencing today:
Five years in a federal minimum security prison for Kent Hovind with the possibility of parole after two years.

Two years probation for Jo Hovind.

Restrictions on the kinds of activities they can engage in.

Found this today, I don't think this link has been posted before: Update from Bunk Three

If you poke around you'll find that he's been blogging about the case and his ministry for quite a while.

--Percy


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Message 206 of 308 (377995)
01-19-2007 9:08 AM
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01-19-2007 8:52 AM


Re: Sentencing today:
Federal parole was abolished in 1987.


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Percy
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Message 207 of 308 (378001)
01-19-2007 9:28 AM
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01-19-2007 9:08 AM


Re: Sentencing today:
subbie writes:

Federal parole was abolished in 1987.

You mean sentencing hasn't even been announced yet and I've already lost the pool? Darn!

--Percy


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Message 208 of 308 (378007)
01-19-2007 10:07 AM
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01-19-2007 3:03 AM


Re: Sentencing today:
Seizure of all assets including land, buildings, vehicles and bank accounts. Three years for Kent, no jail time for Jo.


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Message 209 of 308 (378012)
01-19-2007 10:18 AM


According to the two volume work by Bill Benson and Red Beckman , "The Law That Never Was" the 16th amendment, which created the IRS, was never properly ratified, not even by one state! These gentlemen traveled the then 48 states to verify that fact. So in a very real sense the income tax isn't legal, as many have proclaimed, but try not paying it and see how far you get before the Feds come after you and confiscate everything you own.

http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/FEDERALRESERVE.HTML


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Message 210 of 308 (378016)
01-19-2007 10:31 AM
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01-19-2007 10:18 AM


So in a very real sense the income tax isn't legal, as many have proclaimed, but try not paying it and see how far you get before the Feds come after you and confiscate everything you own.

It is the courts that get to decide if income tax is legal or not based on these kinds of objections.

Guess what they decided?


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