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johnfolton 
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Message 66 of 308 (333155)
07-19-2006 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Chief Infidel
07-18-2006 8:55 PM


Christian Churches
Anyone (even Hovind) can start a church mission outreach and automatically be exempt from the payment to the IRS. The Hovind Church Ministry (wtf) is the IRS attacking his ministries purse strings. Churches have always been exempt from IRS since the constitution was written. Its just another example of activist liberal judges subverting the constitution.
resource article:
The church issue is actually quite simple. Anyone can start a church. Churches are automatically exempt from the payment of federal income tax on their contributions and passive investment income. (See Internal Revenue Code Sections 501(c)(3) and 508(a)).
Your church does not have to be incorporated but you should have at least three members.
Once your church is organized, it can ordain and hire a pastor. The pastor can receive compensation, which is specifically excludable from gross income under Internal Revenue Code Section 107. Furthermore, the pastor can receive paid professional expenses.
Anyone can donate up to 50 percent of their adjusted gross income and take a corresponding deduction on their tax return.
The Internal Revenue Service does not require a church to register with it, but a church must get an Employer ID Number if it wishes to maintain a domestic bank account.
Your church should have regular board of director meetings and the board must approve all expenditures. It is also recommended that you have a monthly newsletter and that you advertise your meetings locally. The minister you ordain can perform the sacraments of your church such as weddings, etc.
Your church can own property and vehicles for the furtherance of its religious purpose. For example, many churches not only own buildings for religious worship but they also own religious retreat centers. Most of this property is also exempt from property tax under state law. Most states also allow sales tax exemption to churches.
http://www.anti-irs.com/churchletter.htm
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Message 69 of 308 (333171)
07-19-2006 12:56 AM
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07-19-2006 12:20 AM


Re: Christian Churches
No, Churches need not apply from the IRS code 508(c)(1)(a) its not mandatory in respect to Churches.
(1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to”
(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.
resource article:
Churches Need Not Apply
In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:
Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:
Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).
Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt”
According to IRS Code 508(c)(1)(A):
Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations.
(a) New organizations must notify secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 501(c)(3) status.
(c) Exceptions.
(1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to”
(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.
This is referred to as the "mandatory exception" rule. Thus, we see from the IRS’ own publications, and the tax code, that it is completely unnecessary for any church to apply for tax-exempt status. In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-exempt.”
501c3: Facts about 501c3 tax-exempt status for the church

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Message 209 of 308 (378012)
01-19-2007 10:18 AM


According to the two volume work by Bill Benson and Red Beckman , "The Law That Never Was" the 16th amendment, which created the IRS, was never properly ratified, not even by one state! These gentlemen traveled the then 48 states to verify that fact. So in a very real sense the income tax isn't legal, as many have proclaimed, but try not paying it and see how far you get before the Feds come after you and confiscate everything you own.
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Message 213 of 308 (378023)
01-19-2007 10:48 AM
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01-19-2007 10:31 AM


It is the courts that get to decide if income tax is legal or not based on these kinds of objections.
Guess what they decided?
They decided not to question the Feds its not healthy if you care to remain among the living.
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It may be that you were never a big fan of John F. Kennedy, but you may see him in a different light after you learn how he took on the FEDS. He had the foresight to see what a bad deal had been struck in the creation of the Federal Reserve. He also had the courage to do something about it.which unfortunately, may have cost him his life.
On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed a Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110. This order virtually stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Government at interest. President Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order still stands today. In less than five months after signing that executive order President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.
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Message 217 of 308 (378031)
01-19-2007 11:09 AM
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01-19-2007 10:56 AM


The problem is these private bankers that make our money out of nothing are not paying income tax. Hovind dared to challenge the private bankers and paid the price.
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We didn't have nor did we need an income tax until we got the bankers back. The income tax was only needed to pay interest to the bankers for our money that they loan to our government. Yes, you read that right, the Fed, mostly on paper and computer, creates money or pays the treasury a small printing fee for currency, and then loans this money to our government. Our taxes pay them interest on this loan that cost the FEDS virtually nothing to make, what a sweetheart of a deal they have going for them.
As of March 6, 2006, the national debt stands at 8.2 trillion dollars. The American taxpayers have paid the FED banking system $173,875,979,369.66 in interest on that debt in just five short months, from October, 2005, through February, 2006. No con artist or group of con artists in history has ever perpetrated a scam that even approaches the scope of this one.
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Message 221 of 308 (378043)
01-19-2007 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Modulous
01-19-2007 11:23 AM


Your changing the subject would normally be indicative of a concession of the original point. Does it stand that you have changed your argument from a legal point of view (conceding that income tax cannot be legally disputed) towards a moral point of view (income tax is a legal scam)?
I personally believe in conservative Federal Judges who abide by the laws of the land not the liberal Federal Judges that are not abiding by the laws of the land.
If the FED's ability to craft money out of nothing and collect interest has not been ratified by the states then Hovind was unjustly judged.
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Article 1, section 8, of the Constitution reads:
The Congress shall have the Power.....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof,....
Nowhere in that document does it give Congress the authority to delegate this responsibility to anyone, much less a bunch of private bankers.
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Message 229 of 308 (378160)
01-19-2007 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Dr Adequate
01-19-2007 5:51 PM


Kent stood up to the god of this world that requires all to tithe to the IRS. The Federal Reserve System is the god of this world forcing America to allow foreign bankers to make our money out of nothing.
The whole reason we have an 8 trillion dollar debt is only based on money being made out of nothing. This in itself would not be a problem the problem is our money is being made out of nothing by bankers that are not americans. Then they reloan this money back to America with interest and they never pay any income tax.
You need to ask the question would we have a national debt if it was not for these foreign bankers? Who are these foreign bankers? Does anyone know? Kennedy wanted to do away with them loaning money to America, he was killed. We have a war with Iraq are these foreign bankers loaning money to America to be paid back with interest?
If your against fraud don't look at Kent look at the Federal Reserve its the biggest scam on the planet.
Kent simply stood up for what is right, he stood in the gap, for truth.
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Message 234 of 308 (378175)
01-19-2007 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by dwise1
01-19-2007 7:17 PM


The Federal Reserve is not a god; it's part of government. AKA "Caesar".
The Federal Reserve is not part of the government its only foreign bankers hence not Caesar. They simply print our money out of nothing and then reloan this with interest and never pay any income tax. The IRS is not God but is the god of this world forcing Americans to pay interest on nothing, etc...
Jesus was extremely angry if memory serves me correct to the chasing the money changers out of the temple. The Federal Reserve System is not Caesar but only money changers emptying America by the creation of nothing and charging interest on nothing.
Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy were murdered when they stood up against the god of this world charging interest on nothing.
And with all due respect, the thought of Hovind standing up for truth seems rather novel.
I agree.
Edited by Charley, : Changed IRS to Federal Reserve in response to CK pointing out our battle is the Federal Reserve how the god of this world is using the IRS in the emptying of America of its wealth.

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Message 248 of 308 (378249)
01-19-2007 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by kuresu
01-19-2007 10:44 PM


Re: Well ...
I'd really want to know what Charley has to say about my list of states ratifying the 16th amendment.
It is interesting that Florida didn't ratify the 16th amendment. The problem appears was the 16 amendment legally ratified.
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1. Wages are not taxable income, as the term is defined by several key decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court that remain in force today.
2. The U.S. Constitution authorizes Congress to levy "direct taxes" on private property, but only if those taxes are apportioned across the 50 States.
3. The IRS now enforces the collection of "income taxes" as direct taxes without apportionment, and cites the 16th Amendment for its authority to do so.
4. The 16th Amendment, the "income tax" amendment, was never lawfully ratified by the required 36 States, but was declared ratified by the U.S. Secretary of State.
5. The 16th Amendment could never have done away with the apportionment rule for any direct taxes if it never became a law in the first place.
Description of Errors:
1. Failure to concur in U. S. Senate Joint Resolution No. 40 in that various changes were made to the text of the official Joint Resolution of the U.S. Congress.
2. Failure to follow the guidelines for the return of a certified copy of the ratification action, as contained in Congressional Concurrent Resolution No. 6, and as required by Section 205 of the Revised Statutes of 1878.
3. Governor vetoed the resolution and the State Legislature failed to override the veto.
4. Resolution was not submitted to the Governor for approval.
5. State Senate failed to pass the resolution by a required 2/3 majority.
6. State Assembly or House failed to pass the resolution by a required 2/3 majority.
7. State Senate failed to pass the resolution.
8. State Assembly or House failed to pass the resolution.
9. Other State constitutional violations not mentioned above.
(Source: The Law That Never Was -- The Fraud of the 16th Amendment and Personal Income Tax, by Bill Benson and M. J. 'Red' Beckman, published by Constitutional Research Assoc., Box 550, South Holland, IL 60473, April 1985)
Notes:
(10) The Senate rejected the minority report of the committee on judiciary and federal relations recommending ratification of this amendment on June 23, 1911, by a vote of 6 to 19. (Connecticut Senate Journal, 1911, pp. 1346-1348)
(11) Florida House passed H.J. Res. 192, ratifying this amendment on May 21, 1913, by a vote of 59 to 0. (Florida House Journal, 1913, p. 1686.) The Senate committee on constitution recommended that the resolution do not pass. May 27, 1913. (Florida Senate Journal, 1913, p. 1745.)
(12) The House passed a joint resolution ratifying the sixteenth amendment on May 10, 1911, by a vote of 139 to 4. (Pennsylvania House Journal, 1911, pp. 2690-2691.) The Senate referred the joint resolution to the committee on judiciary special, where it lay. (Pennsylvania Senate Journal, 1911, p. 2162.)
(13) Senate resolution refusing to ratify this amendment was concurred in by House April 29, 1910. (Rhode Island House Journal, April 29, 1910.)
(14) The House rejected this amendment on March 9, 1911, by a vote of 31 to 10. (Utah House Journal, 1911, pp. 606-607.) The Senate passed the resolution ratifying the amendment by a vote of 12 to 2 on February 17, 1911. (Utah Senate Journal, 1911, p. 256.)
(15) The Senate ratified this amendment by a vote of 19 to 5 on March 9, 1910. (Virginia Senate Journal, 1910, pp. 651-652.) The House Journal, 1910, does not show that this resolution ratifying the amendment ever came to a vote.
The Federal Zone: Appendix J: Petitions to Congress
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Message 253 of 308 (378273)
01-20-2007 12:28 AM
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01-20-2007 12:15 AM


Re: ahem
The real issue is not the IRS but that our money is being created out of nothing and being reloaned back to the America with interest on nothing.
There is nothing wrong with taxation but its how our money is created and to whom its being paid too.
You should be outraged, we should all be outraged, the IRS is the collection agency for our national debt primarily interest to those bankers scaming you.

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Message 259 of 308 (378352)
01-20-2007 12:06 PM
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01-20-2007 5:14 AM


Re: Well ...
You see, I have a relative that is a 'gold bug'.
I'm not sure if this is the right way to go or commodities perhaps a bit of both. The feds monetary policy is don't cut interest rates or their dollar indeed moves toward nothing, or raise interest rates which means they have to give more interest to those not in the market.
We're probably in a recession so the Feds say there worried about inflation. The Feds are walking the tight rope because of the sweet scam they have going and gold and silver dollars might well be a hedge.
However we have the euro competing with the dollar with the euro growing in value compared to the dollar what incentive is there to invest in the dollar when you get more purchasing power if you invest in the euro.
Because the dollar has no value other than purchasing power when the 10 horns burn the Great Whore. The beast will do away with your ability to purchase you will have to make a choice money for worship. However if you don't honor the worship clause your life will be terminated by the image of the beast.
It says all not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will worship the beast but if you don't your life will be teminated(no mercy)by the image of the beast. Is this the beast that was and yet is not even he is the eight and is of the seven that goes to perdition. rev 17:11. Mandatory worship rev 13:15-16.
kjv rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
kjv rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are chosen, and faithful.
P.S. I fully expect Kent Hovind will be with him because of my belief in the rapture being pre-trib in respect to the overcoming of the Lambs victory over the beast.

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Message 261 of 308 (378355)
01-20-2007 12:18 PM
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Re: Well ...
yeah but Odin tells me that's just lies he tells to you christians so I'm not worried.
The devil is the liar, you should be worried.

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Message 298 of 308 (380185)
01-26-2007 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Cold Foreign Object
01-26-2007 2:40 PM


John F. Kennedy and Kent Hovind , etc....
Hovind's Creationist status is irrelevant. Tax evaders come in all shapes, sizes and colors and persuasions.
The foreign bankers not americans print up our money based on nothing and then reloan it back to us with interest and are exempt from taxation. Tax evaders come in all shapes, sizes and colors and persuasions however before Johnson became President the churches didn't need to sign a 501c3 to be exempt.
Makes one wonder if Johnson was in on the Kennedy assisination, or was he afraid of them killing him. Whatever he willfully went back to loaning money from the Feds and forced the churches silence by the 501c3 mandate. Think maybe the foreign bankers feared the churches had something to do with the 501c3 mandate.
Kent is truly a truly Great Man of God he never bound his ability to voice by signing the 501c3. Why can not America print her own money and not have to pay interest to these foreign bankers. The truth we could but will not because of the voices are being silenced. Kennedy was killed by these bankers and Kent was thrown in jail because who will pay the interest on the money loaned to America with interest made from nothing.
Why don't we release Kent and have him print money out of nothing and pay back these foreign bankers with nothing.
Do you think they would be receptive to the recieving of money based on nothing in payment? This is all that they are offering Americans and well thats our national debt based on nothing which is really something when it has to be paid back.
Simple way to eliminate the federal debt, just chase them out of the country and start printing our own money.
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According to information from the Library of the Comptroller of the Currency, Executive Order 11,110 remains in effect today, although successive administrations beginning with that of President Lyndon Johnson apparently have simply ignored it and instead returned to the practice of paying interest on Federal Reserve notes. Today we continue to use Federal Reserve Notes, and the deficit is at an all-time high.
http://www.rense.com/general44/exec.htm
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