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Author Topic:   Hovind busted, finally
Chiroptera
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Message 17 of 308 (331756)
07-14-2006 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Percy
07-14-2006 7:05 AM


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So take no joy in Hovind's difficulties.
I also would not wish the experience of the US penal system on anyone.
Unless part of his preaching included a "get tough on crime" message; I have a weakness for poetic justice.

"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
-- Ernie Cline

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Chiroptera
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Message 125 of 308 (357755)
10-20-2006 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Buzsaw
10-19-2006 6:34 PM


Off topic, but everyone else is doing it.
I disagree. I wouldn't complain if a highly progressive income tax was the only source of revenue for the government, although I would prefer the addition of a wealth and/or inheritance tax as well.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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Chiroptera
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Message 127 of 308 (357867)
10-20-2006 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Buzsaw
10-20-2006 9:56 PM


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I'm not a lawyer but it seems that if it's taken the feds this long to get him in court he must have some lawful legitimacy.
What a refreshing attitude. Most conservatives are the "law and order" type who seem to feel that they are trying you then you must be guilty of something.
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It's likely good that he's being tried so as to determine whether the law can bust him or if he does have a viable defense.
Yes, that is what a trial is supposed to be, an open examination of the evidence so that the public can see whether the facts indicate the accused is guilty.

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine

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Chiroptera
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Message 182 of 308 (360983)
11-02-2006 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by jar
11-02-2006 6:37 PM


Re: What great news.
I'm not sure that I agree. I don't see the point of sending a person who poses no threat to others to jail.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 186 of 308 (360997)
11-02-2006 10:23 PM
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11-02-2006 10:14 PM


Re: What great news.
Hi, schrafinator.
I agree that if Hovind did cheat people, then he must be prevented from continuing to cheat people. However, the Pensacola News Journal article gives the impression that the only things for which he was convicted was cheating on his taxes. I'm not sure that makes him such a danger to society that it warrants sequestering him.
On the other hand, I do see Ned's point; if Hovind is one of those law-and-order, lock-em-up-forever type of Christians, then I do see the poetic justice in his serving a long sentence.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 211 of 308 (378018)
01-19-2007 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by johnfolton
01-19-2007 10:18 AM


For a state to ratify that amendment, its legislature would have had to pass a law or resolution stating that it did so. I suspect that the governor of that state would have to approve it. In which states did this not take place?

But government...is not simply the way we express ourselves collectively but also often the only way we preserve our freedom from private power and its incursions. -- Bill Moyers (quoting John Schwarz)

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Chiroptera
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Message 214 of 308 (378024)
01-19-2007 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by johnfolton
01-19-2007 10:48 AM


Hi, Charley.
Did you know that Pompeii was destroyed in 1631?

But government...is not simply the way we express ourselves collectively but also often the only way we preserve our freedom from private power and its incursions. -- Bill Moyers (quoting John Schwarz)

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Chiroptera
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Message 272 of 308 (379637)
01-24-2007 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


freedom to be a complete dingbat nutcake
You're right, it's not really about taxes. It's about Hovind being a complete dingbat nutcake. Something had to be done with him. I'm not sure prison is necessarily the right place for him, but unfortunately in this country we put complete dingbat nutcakes in prison. Maybe if we had a better mental health service in this country, but I bet Hovind and his supporters have been all for cutting social welfare spending.
And, yes, he would still be a complete dingbat nutcake if he were supportive of evolution.

But government...is not simply the way we express ourselves collectively but also often the only way we preserve our freedom from private power and its incursions. -- Bill Moyers (quoting John Schwarz)

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