egotheistic pantheism revealed...

Get your prepositions straight.There's a difference between talking "through" a donkey and talking "to" a donkey. For one thing, you have to make yourself heard above the braying.

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Only if the listener and the talker are both taller than the donkey.Fortunately, I think you and I are about the same height.

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I used to be the caretaker of a Roman Catholic cum Anglican chapel. I never once attended a service, but I always said it was one of my favourite buildings to be in. I've been there too. It is a very similar feeling.The problem with anti-pantheists is that they can't reconcile "God is everywhere" with "God is everywhere".

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Well, you don't. That was my point. If God is everywhere, you don't need a building to commune with Him. Nor do you need people with similar beliefs.Those things are nice too, but don't confuse communing with God and communing alongside your fellow man. Don't raise the edifice we built above the edifice He built. Hmm.... It occurs to me that a lot of those old cathedrals were shielded with lead.

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Small world.

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I'm not following your math there.If "God is one thing" and "God created all things", then God created God? And you haven't explained how "God is everywhere" differs from "God is eveything". "Everywhere" implies in eveything, doesn't it?

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Another Christian who doesn't understand what sin is? How do you define "cheating" on your wife? Is "cheating" on your wife the only way you can hurt her? Does the "intimacy" of having her around all the time prevent you from stepping on her toes once in a while?You are more likely to "step on God's toes" if He is always "under foot" - i.e if His presence is pervasive. Your analogy seems to suggest that only those "married to God" can sin. Of course, you are in the computer images of your written thoughts.That's the only Phat we ever know.

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Exactly. Phat is the sum total of his communications with us. As far as we know, that's all the reality there is to Phat.Now, since we are a lot like Phat in many ways, and we know that we have a "real" existence beyond our projected Internet existence, we can speculate that Phat also has a "real", extra-Internet existence.Sooooo... if we speculate that God has a "real", extra-sensory existence, we are tacitly suggesting that we are enough like God to "understand" His extra-sensory existence.The more we claim to know about God, the more pantheistic we become.

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There is no "enemy". There can be no enemy unless your god is a petty little local tyrant.You seem to profess a powerful God. Why not believe in Him?

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What does "consuming my fill of flesh" have to do with an "enemy"?I have the knowledge of good and evil, so it's my own responsibility to keep my flesh-consuming to a manageable level. Blaming your own faults on an "enemy" is just irresponsible. What does "hell to pay" have to do with an "enemy"?Who is it Who consigns us to heaven or hell? Your "enemy"? Or the one and only God?Is your dislike of pantheism such that you prefer polytheism? I have no enemies.

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That sounds mighty egotheistic. But stop and think: the criminal is not the judge. The criminal chooses his actions but the judge assigns his fate.We no more "consign ourselves to hell" than a criminal sentences himself to jail. ABE: Make up your mind. In Message 259, you said:

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Or does the enemy present itself as a warm and caring angel of light?

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Edited by Ringo, : Clicked "Submit" too soon.

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A judge can suspend sentence and so can God. That's not a reflection on the "goodness" of either. It's called "mercy". Only a criminal is consigned by the judge in the first place. The prosecutor is not the accuser. He is only the representative of the accuser. Then who does? Another "enemy" in your pantheon? To say that, you must have already judged what is "right and just".You become more and more egotheistic.

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Well, no you're not.Your own Bible quote says:

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Joh 5:45 "But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

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but you say: By Logic 101, you're claiming that Moses is the devil. The letter of the law brings death. The spirit of the law brings life. You're still confusing the accuser with the prosecutor.Too many entities in your pantheon.

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Your accusation would carry more weight if you actually showed where I was wrong instead of just making an empty claim. More egotheism. The real God is not under time constraints. I seek to entertain the lurkers.
By doing so, I hope to prompt them to think about what you don't. My "appetite" is fed by your posts. Whether you reply to me or not makes no difference.(I seem to have a talent for getting on fundyvangelist blacklists. If only I could bottle that.)

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Jesus said:

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Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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When people point out your errors, it isn't necessarily because they are "offended by Christ". It might be because they want to find out if the "sheep" has teeth.Saying "Lord, Lord" doesn't make you a prophet and it doesn't make what you say "the truth".

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