Hovind busted, finally

(don't charge on tea--we don't drink it anymore, you know. we did throw it overboard, afterall )well, at least Liza II is a hell of a lot better than Georgie III. Well, Hovind might want us to go back to the Articles of Confed--there the federal government only gets money from the states if the states are willing to give them some money.

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I don't like wasting a post with so few left in a topic that seems to be coming back to life, but why does it seem like more Brits on this board are better educated about the US government system than americans are on their own government? especially considering that you all aren't really expected to know it so well--I mean sure, know that we have a Pres. and a Congress, and a bunch of other miniature governments, but the depth of knowledge is frankly amazing.Granted, not even some harvard seniors know that we have seasons due to the tilt of earth's access, so . . .I'll fill in something about the 16th shortly. For the moment--I need to head to westminster to pick up the rest of my stuff for school.ABE:
To Charlie:
On the declaration that the 16th Amendment was never ratified by at least 3/4 of state legislatures:First, the current income tax amendment is different from the original income taxes, which were declared to be indirect taxes. the basic effect of the amendment was that the income tax is a direct tax, not an excise (indirect). Third, here is a list of states that ratified the amendment by 1913:
Alabama
Kentucky
S. Carolina
Illinois
Mississippi
Oklahoma
Maryland
Georgia
Texas
Ohio
Idaho
Oregon
Washington
Indiana
Montana (hey, I didn't know my cousing was a state! )
California
Nevada
S. Dakota
Nebraska
N. Carolina
Colorado
N. Dakota
Kansas
Michigan
Iowa
Missouri
Maine
Tennesse
Arkansas
Wisconsin
New York
Arizona
Minnesota
Louisiana
W. Virginia
New Mexico
Delaware
Wyoming
New jersey
Vermont
Massachusetts
New HampshireRhode Island, Utah, Connecticut rejected
Virginia, Pennsylvania, Florida did nothing
Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia42 states ratified. 3 rejected. 3 declared nothing. 42/48 = 7/8
In order to be ratified, you only needed 36 states.Ironically, Hovind is in Florida, a state the rejected the amendment. Perhaps he thinks then that federal law need not apply?Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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so much for the conpsiracy that LBJ and the mafia were behind it. now it all makes sense--with the wiccan powers behind the bullet, Oswald would have problem overcoming the physical impossiblities of his supposed shot.

Funnily enough, Andrew Jackson destroyed the first version of the Federal Reserve. he survived his presidency.Charley probably doesn't realize Lincoln was shot by Booth, a states' right advocate sour that the south lost the civil war. state's rights folk tend to not want to increase federal power, which the federal reserve does.

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that's quite okay. historical slip-ups are fairly easy. esp. when dealing with dates. a common mistake I make is the starting year of that war--I always want to say 1860. what's really funny though, is that in our scout district's klondike derby (knowledge competition, basically), if you say that the US motto is E Unum Pluribus, they'll accept it, because it's the latin version, or so they think. good think they don't know latin--i didn't realize "In God we Trust" was the motto. oops.ABE: and Lincoln had an assistant (or something like that) names Kennedy. Kennedy has the same, but opposite--his was Lincoln.Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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the really funny thing--these people in my district would much prefer In God We Trust than E Pluribus Unum.as to the last comment--esp. since we are no longer facing a communist enemy with propaganda depicting them as atheists hordes. the only reason we have that is so we could differentiate ourselves from those atheist communists (because guess what, our constitution and amendment forbid state-sponsored religion).what's really funny, is that by changing it, maybe our current foes (generally speaking, those behind Islamic terrorism) will see we aren't favoring christianity over islam, or some such thing. incredibly unlikely, but . . . it does take away one of their reasons for fighting us, I'm just not sure which, and not sure if they'd recognize the change.but you know what, let's attempt to get back to topic. I'd really want to know what Charley has to say about my list of states ratifying the 16th amendment.

per your first point, I would like to know just which specific rulings. a more recent ruling on an issue supercedes an outdated one.
secondly, wages are taxed, esp. by social security. unless you're your own boss, 7% of your paycheck goes to social security. this is on top of any other state tax on wages. wages are taxable. they are a means of income, and any means of income, as per the amendment, unless otherwise specified by later congresses, are taxable.2. every person in every state is required to pay income taxes. unless I'm missing the meaning of apportioned here.3. apparently I'm missing the definition of apportionment.4. I remind you of my list--42 states ratified it, legally, I might add.5. since it is lawful, it did away with apportionment. also, subsequent supreme court rulings haven't struck down the non-apportionment rule since the passage of the amendment. it still goes.failures:
1. i've heard of this. changing commans, capitalization, and other minor changes, does not count. what's the difference between voting on:
Raise Taxes by 30%
riase taxes by 30%.
same message.2.don't know about this, so I can't say anything. I'll let tax experts handle it (if there is such a thing)3.i don't see how this is an error unless a state that ratified it actually rejected it. list the state that did this.4.again, tell me the state. If it's virginia, they didn't even decide, so . . .5-9. same objection. Show me the state. If these are nine separate states, I'll remind you, only 36 needed to pass the amendment.
48-9=39. still passes the 3/4 mark.(upon checking your source list, most of the states implicated are listed on the record as rejecting, or doing nothing towards ratification. you still pass the 3/4 boundary. tough luck kiddo, 16th is law. now then, please render unto caesar--I really like having decent roads and a publicly funded education.

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i did. i'm still missing something, I think. seems to me to be a guy w/o identity wanting money. but then, I couldbe too tired right now to think through some of the bullshit apparent in those pages.
mind clueing me in?

my mom's not a citizen. she pays taxes.he needs to move outside of US territory to avoid our taxes.but no matter where he moves, he'll pay taxes. and probably more, too. just, not to the US.

and how do you change a fascist state that allows elections? you vote against those fascists.to bad you're not voting then. your actually giving the fascist voters greater power, becasue their vote carries a greater value.the other option is to move to a liberal country and escape the fascism. you know, like to Sweden.

the first income tax I'm aware of was implemented by Lincoln to fund the Union effort against the CSA. After the war, it was stopped.prior to the income tax, the major source of revenue for the government would be on excise taxes and tariffs. wrong. do some reasearch.

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Most of the Federal Government's revenue comes from income taxes

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Front page | U.S. Department of the TreasuryIt would seem that in fact, income tax supplies most of the revenue on which the government depends to fund such things as the military.