Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century

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as an aside: Isn't it amazing also, that God called man and woman... man (or in the Hebrew, 'Adam'). It was only after sin entered the picture that the male decided to give his wife a diferent name from his own and rule over her.

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So...I'm confused.Are you saying that it is sinful for a man to rule over his wife?

That is a cunning question... Very impressive!I should probably think about this before responding, but what the heck...I think it is sinful in terms of our original purpose. Now that we inhabit this fallen world we have this whole of chain of command to deal with. We brought it on ourselves though... or at least for us, our ancestors brought in on us. but that is not an excuse, since we have been offered 'the way' out.The reigns of power are not offensive if the powers that be are moral and just. It is not difficult to see that the ancient cultures took this to it's extreme and abused their authority.My pastor made the point that when Jesus came on to the scene, the religious leaders (men) of the day said prayers thanking God that they were not a woman (a sinner). But Jesus, unashamedly spoke kindly with the sumeritan woman at the well. A big no no for Jewish men.Our pastor also opened up Genesis in a clear and demonstrable fashion to show that it was ish that had sinned, not ishah. Adam was given the command not to eat the fruit before Eve had been formed. He failed in his duty to tell her, and was standing right next to her as she was deceived by the clever cunning of satan (deceived as opposed to sinned).Since this not my area of expertise, I cannot recall all of the Biblical references (and there are many) to show the impact on womens rights that Jesus actually had. My apologies...I think it would definately suprise you. I know my wife and I were shocked to see it all in the proper context. We also were under the assumption for a time that the God of the Bible condoned the mistreament of women. He does not...Men are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church; that is, give his life for her. He is expected to be Godly and valiant.God was not giving men a license to beat their wives into submission when He told Eve that they would rule over them. Women are expected to volunterily submit with the assumption that their husbands are worthy of such honor by reciprocating the respect.When God told Eve of the curse, He was saying in effect, 'Now look... now look at what you will have to deal with.' The curse was just God telling Eve like it now was. He took no pleasure in it. The same with Adam.Ephesians 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Well Message 24 wasn't very long and you ignored the important parts so here it is in total. First, sins are nobodies business except perhaps the person who may be committing them.Second, homosexuality is not a sin.Third, you tried to misdirect folk be conflating homosexuality with lying, ignorance and thievery.Let me see if I can make this very clear. Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.One more time.Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So, the hierarchy is thus:God
Males
FemalesFemales should think of men the way men think of God.Right?And also, how can a man truly respect another adult who, when there is a serious difference of opinion between them, knows they will always submit to his wishes?That doesn't seem like a healthy relationship between two adults.That sounds a lot like a parent/child relationship.

i don't know why, but this has me laughing my ass off. Well, I know why not. It's not becuase of the biological impossibility. perhaps because of the gusto with which he said. or something. that, or I just ahve a sick sense of humor (which i have at times)

jarI see... so all men are an island?In hell they will be. All alone to rule their kingdom of one.jar[qs]I see... The community is not dependant upon the behavior of it's members?So the sins of Bush and Cheney are none of our business?I did not equate homosexuality with lying. But in some cases lying is worse!I did not draw any moral equivilant. And the fact you and others think so is ludocrous!What I did do, is put 'all sin' into the catagory 'it is all in' by definition... Sin. I made a conection in kind, not in degree.All sin has one thing in common, it is a violation of law. It is a violation of the natural order which must be assumed to be correct and good. If you do not make that assumption, then nothing is incorrect or 'bad', including my saying otherwise.No one would equate murder to a homosexual romp. But all sin is murder in the purest sense. A murder of truth and order. And all sin is a lie, since it distorts reality into disorder. So all sin is sin.It is not only my business, but everyone elses as well... unless you do not believe in community which finds it's consumation and origin in the trinity.These words and their predecesors, should be a fatal wound to the hardened hearts. But there is a harder heart and it's head is miraculously healed. It's head is not found with any capacity to accept truth or yeild to it. It refuses consciously to deny truth.And the followers of this beast are amazed and worship him without the ability to comprehend the words or what it is they should do.Be careful who you follow; 'reason' and conscious, or the corrupted heart and it's irationaliy.Ro 6:16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?It's not personal anymore jar... so relax and think. I am your brother.

Let me see if I can make this very clear. Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.One more time.Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.

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Of course not. God is to be first place in our lives. Our family second. I don't invite you to worship any man but Christ.Now you're being boring...

So am I 'sinning' by not obeying this... law you say I am violating? If so, are you violating your own rule by not minding your own and telling me I am a sinner?You have lost the ability to reason because of your pride. If you do not repent you will be insane for eternity.'Cool intelect must prevail not only against cool intelect on the other side. But against the muddy heathen mysticisms that deny intellect altogether.' C.S. LewisI know there is good in you jar, but only you and God can find it. You have to trust Him. You have nothing left to lose.Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

I don't care whether or not you sin. Your sins are none of my business. In case you missed it...sins other than your own are none of your business.The rest of your post is just more off topic nonsense.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Why?Could this order of things be wrong? After all, slavery was once thought (and probably still is to some) thought to be part of the natural order. So were the heirarchical systems such as fuedalism and manorialism.again, why must we assume the natural order to be correct and good?

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It seems normal now to think of sin as an action that hurts someone else. We tend to have the biggest disagreements over the ones that don't physically or emotionally hurt anyone, but are thought to hurt those mysterious 'souls' that we have floating around. The idea of 'equivalents' is kind of ludicrous for measuring the spiritual. Is lying as bad as murder? Sure, if it condemns someone. In spiritual terms, a murderer is already a liar, for denying the life of the body as sacred. The liar is already a murderer, for denying the sacred life of the soul.Sin is everybody's business if it hurts someone.If it doesn't, it is only more sinful to discriminate or hate. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

Crap.The only sin that is your business is your sin.Actions may be your business if it affects others, but whether some act is a sin or not has nothing to do with it.

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Ok... let's assume it is not. And under that assumption (that the natural order is not good and orderly) is anything wrong (sinful) with anything?Taz said he does not believe in the concept of sin... Do you concur? And if so, what then is 'rightly' said to be 'wrong'... when there is no such thing as right and wrong?

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

More absolute nonsense.Right and wrong have NOTHING to do with sin.Let me repeat:Right and wrong have NOTHING to do with sin.Sin is only something between an individual and a God.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion