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jar
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Message 15 of 96 (376748)
01-13-2007 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Straggler
01-13-2007 1:56 PM


Re: Atheist Science - What is it???
So is the existence of a creator/designer a valid scientific conclusion then??
Only if the evidence supported such a conclusion.
I think it has to be a potentially valid conclusion otherwise, in some ways, we would be acting as unscientifically as the creationists by limiting the conclusions before the investigation has even begun.
The term potentially valid conclusion really has no meaning. Conclusions come after the evidence. When you start off with the conclusion firmly in hand, you have stopped doing science.

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jar
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Message 23 of 96 (377014)
01-14-2007 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by platypus
01-14-2007 7:10 PM


Re: Benefit of the Doubt
In other words, what if someone entered the debate with no preconcieved notions, but used the Bible as a primary source of evidence?
If they are willing to discard those parts of the Bible that the evidence refutes, how is it different?
That is exactly what happened in geology and archeology and biology and astronomy, and genetics and cosmology.

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jar
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Message 68 of 96 (378346)
01-20-2007 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Buzsaw
01-19-2007 9:58 PM


On Phrophecies, credibility and tentativity.
But taking Jesus as an example, if it can be shown that some spectacular falsifyable prophecy of his was fulfilled in our time, credibility to the unfalsifyable other miracles receives a measure of support.
Yet so far you have never been able to cite such an example of a fulfilled prophecy. In addition, even if you did provide such an example it does NOT add credibility to an unfalsifiable miracle. That assertion is simply wrong.
If you wish to rephrase that to say that "IN your mind it adds credibility" then I dounbt anyone would disagree.
By the same token, fulfilled prophecy defies conventional science. Again, for example likely scientific stats would show that it is matmatically impossible for a tribe of people to disperse to all regions of the globe and to return to their homeland intact and identifiable as the same tribe of people who dispersed nearly two milleniums later, the OT prophets first making the prophecies and Jesus repeating it a few years before the dispersion some 1900+ years ago.
Again, simply a nonsense statement. First, unless you actually show how any such calculations are done you are just making stuff up. Second, using the term "Tribe" has no meaning. Not ONE of the Tribes of Israel has been reconstituted and there was never any evidence of a Tribe called Israel.
Buz you gotta stop just making stuff up.
Must all science, by definition, always be evaluated as correctly performed or arrive at correct conclusions to come under the definition of doing science?
Yup. Within the limits of current knowledge and evidence at the time, it must. It must also always be held as tentative.

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