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Author Topic:   Black Rednecks and White Liberals (by Thomas Sowell)
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Message 70 of 130 (378246)
01-19-2007 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Hyroglyphx
01-19-2007 11:17 PM


Re: Tom Sowell
awesome post...thanks

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Message 72 of 130 (378251)
01-19-2007 11:45 PM
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01-19-2007 11:37 PM


Re: Sowell's wrong
Racism is real, but the biggest problems in the black community are not dealing with racism from white folks, but they are problems such as black on black crime, elevation of negative cultural and social values, addictions, adultery and lack of committment to one's spouse or loved ones, immorality and violence in general, advocating that becoming educated is a white thing, etc, etc,....These are moral, social and cultural problems that no one but black Americans themselves can solve.
There have been lots of oppressed groups that rose above. It can be done, but it can't be done from the outside.

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Message 76 of 130 (378282)
01-20-2007 1:53 AM
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01-20-2007 12:08 AM


Re: Sowell's wrong
Crash, what is the illegitemacy rate among African-Americans?
How about the murder rate?
Bottom line is racism is real, but it's not the major problem facing black America today.
As for the rest - black on black violent crime, drug use, etc - these are sociological conditions well-known to stem from conditions of crushing poverty.
Another way to look at it is that these things are what causes crushing poverty.
Let me ask you something? You ever lived in a minority dominated neighborhood? Ever hear gunshots in the street in front of your home? Ever counsel drug addicts and prostitutes in such neighborhoods and help them start a new life? Ever talked to young people in such neighborhoods about working hard to make it when they believe they can't because they've been told white America will keep them back? You ever really helped someone successfully from such a disadvantaged background succeed? Ever dealt with people from a hardcore criminal background change?
How much of poor, black America have you really seen?
I ask not because just seeing or knowing these things means one would be correct, but just to see if you are really aware of what goes on?
If you ask me, a huge problem is the illegitimacy rate....the lack of positive male leadership in the home.
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Message 92 of 130 (378492)
01-20-2007 8:55 PM
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01-20-2007 10:59 AM


Re: Sowell's wrong
Adultery is poor choice of words. What I am getting at is the cultural sensualization of black American culture where women are overly objectified and there is an unusually high number of illegitimate children, or children growing up without fathers.
It's a problem for everyone else, but it is particularly a problem in black America, and it is not the result of racism.

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