Japan Captures Dolphin with Vestigial Legs!

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Dolphins once lived on land. However, because of the flood, they microevolved to live in the sea.

And this is an obvious macro-evolution reversal ...

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fox news... reporting something about evolution.i smell a boycott.

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So if something appears that you guys want to be vestigal, it must be vestigal, but a feature appears in the fossil record that you want to be transitional, and it's transitional towards a new form.Funny how all data is interpreted to support evo models. One could just as easily say that a mutation occurred that could lead to some new trait, eh? Or that a mutation occurred that leads nowhere (more likely). It is mere bias and prejudice to say the mutation is vestigal.Keep in mind the actual facts. Symmetrical fins....hmmmm. But rather than look at them as fins, and fins that could actually have an aquatic purpose, they must be vestigal of legs.....cuz ToE says so.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Randman, you really are getting very boring. All your posts run as follows:-"Funny how all evos... [insert conspiracy theory here]".Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

The consensus among Biologists, Geneticists, Paleontologists, and other scientific fields is that evolution happened, is happening, and that the ToE is a useful model for organizing and explaining and predicting the data.Randman, how can it be that all these evolutionary scientists are so bad at doing science that they get the very fundamentals in their fields so completely wrong?

How could they be new? All dolphins have pelvic bones and shrunken, useless hind leg bones.

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One could just as easily say that a mutation occurred that could lead to some new trait, eh?

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Not if one is a YEC. Most YECs don't believe that such a thing is possible.

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I dunno....it was their concensus for 50 years that the Biogenetic Law was real, and some still argue that, and that Haeckel's forgeries were real, and that the phylotypic stage is real; that Pakicetus was aquatic, that the fossil record showed graudalistic evolution, etc, etc,...The simple fact is evos have a long history os believing things that are easily verifiable and yet still incorrect.What's your theory on why?For the mods, if you don't want to allow the examples I used above, then please start censuring the evo arguments from authority. If people ask how the evo establishment concensus could be wrong, then you need to allow the answer, and that entails viewing the record of evos passing off overstatements, forgeries, illogic, etc,....across the whole spectrum. Otherwise you are allowing questions, but not the answer.

When astronomers detect a new moon orbiting around a planet the orbital behavior is immediately interpreted in terms of gravity and inertial mechanics. When a new medical condition is identified the condition is immediately interpreted via established biology. This is wrong? Now that would be one whopper of mutation in one step! The most optimistic evolutionist wouldn't dream of a step like that.

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I dunno....it was their concensus for 50 years that the Biogenetic Law was real, and some still argue that, and that Haeckel's forgeries were real, and that the phylotypic stage is real; that Pakicetus was aquatic, that the fossil record showed graudalistic evolution, etc, etc,...

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The simple fact is evos have a long history os believing things that are easily verifiable and yet still incorrect.

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What's your theory on why?

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Clearly, the answer is that ALL life scientists are incompetent at doing science.I mean, that's your stated conclusion.

Oh, I don't know. All you would really need is the misexpression of one of of a number of limb initating factors like FGF8, Tbx5 or Wnt2b. All of these factors are capable of inducing ectopic limb bud formation but may not give rise to a fully formed additional limb in the same way that the hind fin/legs of the Dolphin were not perhaps fully formed limbs. The sort of mutation resulting in such misexpression need not be large, simply a change in the regulatory regions which affect where the gene is expressed.You seem to be making the frequent creationist mistake of assuming that any large morphological change neccessitates a large genetic change, their corollary of course is that no obvious morhpological change, i.e. apparent stasis in the fossil record, equates to genetic stasis also.TTFN,WK

To date, I have not seen a single creationist (YEC version) explain the forelimbs of any modern cetacean. Why in the hell do they have 5 fingers??!! But buried inside tissue. I know the whole common designer = common product argument. But why put five fingers into what is to be a flipper? Seriously tell me YEC's have a good argument for five fingers in a flipper and I will think about converting.

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