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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3073 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I faced Randman arguing that an essay on talkorigins.org claimed that universal common descent was a fact when it explicitly said that universal common descent should not be considered a fact. And Randman continued blustering and arguing long after it was pointed out. I know what he's like. And I argue that they are evidence of mental illness, not dishonesty. Reasonable and rational persons are more inclined to view your disagreements with Randman based upon the fact that you are a Darwinist and he is a Creationist. Ray
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
PaulK writes: And mental illness at least carries no moral judgement. Taz writes: Same reason why people resort to not guilty for reason of insanity. Nonetheless, had Dr. A responded to Randman by saying, "You are mentally ill. This is a delusion, created by your diseased mind," do we honestly think he would have received a lighter punishment than if he had said, "You are a liar. This is a lie?" "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
That says a lot about your idea of "reasonable and rational" people. A genuinely "reasonable and rational" person would see that Randman was being irrational and unreasonable and refusing to accept the obvious truth.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Yeah but they were black and white on different sides.
I can't believe you just hand-waved that essential part of it away. Drinking when we are not thirsty and making love at any time, madam, is all that distinguishes us from the other animals. -Pierre De Beaumarchais (1732-1799)
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
crash writes: Why wasn't Dr. A showcased, instead? Excellent idea. If full-time denizens of Showcase are there because they are incorrigible, then why not have short-term suspensions served there as well? That would improve the Showcase neighborhood, provide consistent justice, and (likely, shudder) inhibit repeat offenses. Edited by Omnivorous, : removed the stupid "both" before three things Drinking when we are not thirsty and making love at any time, madam, is all that distinguishes us from the other animals. -Pierre De Beaumarchais (1732-1799)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If he had been insulting about it then he would certainly have been suspended. If he had stuck to saying that the statements were obvious untruths he would probably not have been suspended.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3073 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Either Randman and the rest know that their blatant untruths are falsehoods or they don't. I'm just suggesting the alternative that seems more likely to me. And mental illness at least carries no moral judgement. Most mentally ill persons do not consider themselves as such. Case in point: Darwinists believe the appearance of design corresponds to mindless process; inhabitants of nature descend from a common ancestor, and that apes gradually morphed into men; and they think these miracles are rational and reflect scientific investigation. Ray
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
So actually following reason and the evidence is a sign of mental illness according to you.
Well that would certainly be convenient for you.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3073 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
That says a lot about your idea of "reasonable and rational" people. A genuinely "reasonable and rational" person would see that Randman was being irrational and unreasonable and refusing to accept the obvious truth. Very "reasonable and rational" position you take: agree with me or you are mentally ill. Ray
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Herepton writes:
Would you like to provide the appropriate genuine academic texts that says this in the appropriate thread? ...apes gradually morphed into men... AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3937 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Dr A wasn't suspended for simply saying, "you're being dishonest". I have read a number of threads where members have questioned eachothers honesty and nobody was suspended.
I cannot tell for sure because I haven't gotten a lot of feedback about it but I feel pretty good about the way I handled NJ in the couple of instances where it arose in the GD thread. I don't find it is very useful to try to convince the person telling the lies that they are liars. I feel it is more important to expose that fact to the rest of the readers. Simply shouting, "your a liar" doesn't really add anything to the conversation other than vitrol. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Dr Adequate and CK haved been banned. I protest: these persons should not be banned. AdminModulous is drunk on "power" and should be relieved of his duties. He makes no sense and seems to be the stereotypical college type kid attempting to impress his older Darwinian handlers who have taken him in at the expense of EvC patrons. Ray Nonsense--first, neither was banned; second, AdminModulous said what he would do, and that's what he did. And in my own case, my remarks were an act of uncivil disobedience, and I respect AdminMod's judgments and actions. Ray, in the context of the ongoing discussion about charges of lying and mental illness, let me assure you that I have never thought you were a liar. Drinking when we are not thirsty and making love at any time, madam, is all that distinguishes us from the other animals. -Pierre De Beaumarchais (1732-1799)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That is an obvious misrepresentation, Ray. I stated that continued and repeated denial of an obvious objective truth was a sign of mental illness. Whereas you have claimed hat people who disagree with your opinion are mentally ill.
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
quote: I partly disagree. I agree that randman is restricted to the showcase because he wasn't able to follow the forum guidelines. Mostly, I believe this refers to his past refusal to support his arguments with evidence, his penchant for casting nefarous aspersions upon scinetists who accept the ToE, and his tendency to derail every thread by constantly injecting his own pet ideas. He was also rather apt to use derisive and insulting language, but his abuse of others seems to have become much worse now that he has his own little kingdom. I do not think it is acceptable for Randman to insult and flame with impunity just because he is in Showcase. Let him argue poorly and debate badly, but I think that he should have some consequences for using ad hominem attacks. If Dr. A must be suspended for a month, I suggest that he should be suspended from the showcase forum only.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3073 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
That is an obvious misrepresentation, Ray. I stated that continued and repeated denial of an obvious objective truth was a sign of mental illness. Whereas you have claimed hat people who disagree with your opinion are mentally ill. Nope. You and Dan Carroll said anyone who does not agree with you are mentally ill. Why have you lied? Is it because that you know that the Mods will let you get away with it? Ray Edited by Herepton, : No reason given.
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