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Quetzal
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Message 256 of 301 (379273)
01-23-2007 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 4:40 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
You have no point or ground to stand on. You are advocating third-world censorship of your Creationist opponents.
No, only certain individuals who are incapable of operating under the guidelines established for discourse on this forum. After all, no one is required to be here. If you were to invite me into your home (an unlikely occurance, I admit), with the mutually-agreed-upon stipulation that I don't kick your cat, then wouldn't you be justified in giving me the boot if I not only once but repeatedly kicked your cat? If you consider that censorship, then I'm afraid we have no basis for conversation on the subject.
There have been quite a number of posters here with whom I wouldn't see eye-to-eye in a million years, but yet with whom I've had quite enjoyable discussions (Tranquility Base and tokyojim are two that spring immediately to mind - there have been many others). I would never advocate banning them. I was even opposed to the banning of several others with whom I also had many good (albeit increasingly frustrating in a few cases) discussions - such as Faith and Peter Borger to name two.
If it makes you feel better, I would never have forced you into a cage for the edification of the plebes. I would have done the honorable thing and booted your ass off the board completely.

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Quetzal
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Message 257 of 301 (379274)
01-23-2007 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 4:40 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Deleted double post
Edited by Quetzal, : No reason given.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 258 of 301 (379276)
01-23-2007 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by jar
01-23-2007 4:55 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
And just how are you being censored? Who has restricted what you can post? What limits have been placed on what you can say in the showcase?
This comment acts like the author does not know that restriction to a certain forum which is labelled and touted as penal in nature is not censorship.
We could only wonder if roles were reversed if the same author would retain this "view."
However, I am not offended at all by being incarcerated in the Showcase Forum. Objective persons know the real reason why certain Creationists are sequestered by Darwinists.
Ray

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jar
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Message 259 of 301 (379278)
01-23-2007 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:18 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
This comment acts like the author does not know that restriction to a certain forum which is labelled and touted as penal in nature is not censorship.
We could only wonder if roles were reversed if the same author would retain this "view."
However, I am not offended at all by being incarcerated in the Showcase Forum. Objective persons know the real reason why certain Creationists are sequestered by Darwinists.
Ray
Censorship is being denied the right to say or write something.
What limits have been placed on what you can say Ray?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 260 of 301 (379281)
01-23-2007 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by jar
01-23-2007 5:23 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Censorship is being denied the right to say or write something.
And it is being denied freedom to say it where everyone else has the freedom to say it.
Ray

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 261 of 301 (379283)
01-23-2007 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:30 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
And it is being denied freedom to say it where everyone else has the freedom to say it.
Wha...? If you want people to have more freedom to say things in the Showcase, why are you and Rand always asking for your opponents to be evicted?
You're trying to have it both ways, Herp, and it's transparently obvious and ridiculous.

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jar
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Message 262 of 301 (379284)
01-23-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:30 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
And it is being denied freedom to say it where everyone else has the freedom to say it.
Ray
LOL
No Ray, it is not.
You are free to say anything you want. There is NO censorship of what you can say, and no one is restricted from reading anything you post.
So again Ray, what limits are being placed on what you can say?
Edited by jar, : random the snuck in

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 263 of 301 (379285)
01-23-2007 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Quetzal
01-23-2007 5:06 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
If it makes you feel better, I would never have forced you into a cage for the edification of the plebes. I would have done the honorable thing and booted your ass off the board completely.
Good-honest anger.
20th century atheist eastern European and southeast Asia regimes booted their opponents into oblivion and graves too. It appears education has not quenched the atheist mindset; Quetzal is simply advocating what atheists in current history have always advocated.
Ray

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 264 of 301 (379289)
01-23-2007 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:38 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
It appears education has not quenched the atheist mindset; Quetzal is simply advocating what atheists in current history have always advocated.
Could you substantiate your assertion that Quetzal has, at any time, advocated for you to be killed?

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 265 of 301 (379291)
01-23-2007 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by crashfrog
01-23-2007 5:45 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Could you substantiate your assertion that Quetzal has, at any time, advocated for you to be killed?
Quetzal advocated that I be banned from posting on this board, which is equivalent to being "killed" (= unable to post).
Ray

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crashfrog
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Message 266 of 301 (379293)
01-23-2007 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:56 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Not good enough. Can you substantiate your assertion that Quetzal has, at any time, advocated for you to be killed? Literally put to death, as you asserted?
Can you substantiate your assertion that being banned from EvC forum is the equivalent of physical death?

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 267 of 301 (379294)
01-23-2007 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by jar
01-23-2007 5:35 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
LOL
No Ray, it is not.
You are free to say anything you want. There is NO censorship of what you can say, and no one is restricted from reading anything you post.
So again Ray, what limits are being placed on what you can say?
You are mistaken. Nobody said showcase had restrictions on speech; rather the same is a restriction on speech since inmates cannot have access to the same microphone as everyone else.
Siberia is not Moscow.
Ray

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 268 of 301 (379296)
01-23-2007 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 6:00 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
You are mistaken. Nobody said showcase had restrictions on speech; rather the same is a restriction on speech since inmates cannot have access to the same microphone as everyone else.
Siberia is not Moscow.
Ray
Again, what limits are being placed on what you can say?
What is it that you post that is not visible to everyone who visits EvC?
Can not everyone who visits EvC read whatever you post?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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DrJones*
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Message 269 of 301 (379297)
01-23-2007 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 6:00 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
rather the same is a restriction on speech since inmates cannot have access to the same microphone as everyone else.
In showcase you actually are treated better than the rest of us. You get to approve who posts in the threads and you can have posters removed for the slightest perceived slight.

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 270 of 301 (379299)
01-23-2007 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by crashfrog
01-23-2007 5:58 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Can you substantiate your assertion that Quetzal has, at any time, advocated for you to be killed? Literally put to death, as you asserted?
I never said what you have me saying. How is it that you have the ability to follow complicated scientific arguments in journals but cannot retain the lesser ability when the point is one you do not like?
Can you substantiate your assertion that being banned from EvC forum is the equivalent of physical death?
Misrepresenting the point = unable to refute.
Ray

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