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crashfrog
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Message 271 of 301 (379301)
01-23-2007 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 6:05 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
I never said what you have me saying.
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I misunderstood. Please accept my sincere apologies.
Then, can you substantiate your historical assertion that 20th century atheist regimes did not kill any dissidents, but rather, merely banned them from privately-run internet forums? It's my understanding, after all, that the internet did not even exist in those countries under those regimes, but you seem to know differently. Can you substantiate that assertion, please?

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Vacate
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Message 272 of 301 (379303)
01-23-2007 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 6:05 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
How is it that you have the ability to follow complicated scientific arguments in journals but cannot retain the lesser ability when the point is one you do not like?
This seems like a decent time to ask what I have meant to ask for you for months.
How is it that you cannot read the rules and understand that there must be consequences for breaking those rules?
Its none of my business, but I wonder - did your upbringing have no rules, do you live in a country that has no rules. I have just never met a sane person who seems so completely oblivious to established rules and what they demand.
Through my job I run into this kind of mentality with hundreds of clients, but they are the product of mental disorders and are as a result locked up. You however do not seem familiar with the idea of rules and abiding by them - what is the reason for this? Where you are does not have established rules?
Edited by Vacate, : Clarity

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tudwell
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Message 273 of 301 (379304)
01-23-2007 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:38 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Good job quote-mining. You forgot the rest of the post where Quetzal talks about all the people he didn't want banned.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 274 of 301 (379305)
01-23-2007 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by DrJones*
01-23-2007 6:04 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
In showcase you actually are treated better than the rest of us. You get to approve who posts in the threads and you can have posters removed for the slightest perceived slight.
Would you retain the same belief if roles were reversed?
Ray

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 275 of 301 (379306)
01-23-2007 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by crashfrog
01-23-2007 6:14 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Then, can you substantiate your historical assertion that 20th century atheist regimes did not kill any dissidents, but rather, merely banned them from privately-run internet forums?
We know I never said that. I said what those atheist regimes did is equivalent to what Quetzal (= atheist) advocated. It is an analogy that is absolutely accurate. If I had no point, and if you did not understand, then you would not be pursuing. You do understand the point and are pursuing and misrepresenting because you cannot refute.
Ray

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DrJones*
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Message 276 of 301 (379308)
01-23-2007 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 6:29 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Would you retain the same belief if roles were reversed?
yup

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

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crashfrog
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Message 277 of 301 (379324)
01-23-2007 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 6:37 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
I said what those atheist regimes did is equivalent to what Quetzal (= atheist) advocated.
Er, but you just said you didn't say that:
crashfrog writes:
Can you substantiate your assertion that being banned from EvC forum is the equivalent of physical death?
Herp writes:
Misrepresenting the point = unable to refute.
But I guess you're flip-flopping back now.
Are you prepared to substantiate your assertion that being banned from EvC is as bad ("is the equivalent") as actual physical death? Or are you prepared to admit you're just being deliberately obfuscatory and obtuse?
Unable to substantiate = inability to refute.

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arachnophilia
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Message 278 of 301 (379374)
01-23-2007 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:18 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
However, I am not offended at all by being incarcerated in the Showcase Forum.
i'm confused, ray. are you complaining, or aren't you?
if you're not offended at all, what's the big deal, exactly?


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arachnophilia
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Message 279 of 301 (379376)
01-23-2007 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:30 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
And it is being denied freedom to say it where everyone else has the freedom to say it.
you're one of those people that whines when the police evict you from the theatre because you screamed "FIRE!" aren't you? freedom of speech and all that.
sorry, place matters. if you don't believe me, try talking about bombs next time you fly somewhere.
and nobody else has the freedom to behave like you do in the outside forum -- or even in the showcase, for that matter. dr a. just got a MONTH suspension for acting like you in the showcase.


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anglagard
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Message 280 of 301 (379377)
01-23-2007 10:38 PM


The Problem With Rob
I humbly request that Rob not be allowed to derail the thread Spinoza Pantheism Defined with any further ad hominem attacks upon all other participants such as:
Remember what I told you about these people here.
I do not believe every thread should be reduced to Rob's, or anyone else's blog, nor do I believe that any attempt for intelligent discussion should be shouted down by any presumably self-proclaimed "storm trooper for god."
Edited by anglagard, : spelin

Omnivorous
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Message 281 of 301 (379383)
01-23-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by arachnophilia
01-23-2007 10:29 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
arach writes:
i'm confused, ray. are you complaining, or aren't you?
if you're not offended at all, what's the big deal, exactly?
Ray is of two minds. They don't get along.

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Quetzal
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Message 282 of 301 (379446)
01-24-2007 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Cold Foreign Object
01-23-2007 5:38 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Good-honest anger.
Anger? Interesting that you would confuse a simple statement of position with anger. Besides, it's difficult to feel anger at someone who engenders feelings of pity at best - and one who, at worst, I simply choose to ignore in most cases.
20th century atheist eastern European and southeast Asia regimes booted their opponents into oblivion and graves too. It appears education has not quenched the atheist mindset; Quetzal is simply advocating what atheists in current history have always advocated.
Nope, wrong again. I simply think that anyone who is incapable of treating others as human beings with simple courtesy and decency - whether they agree with them or not - doesn't deserve the privilege of eating dinner with the adults. Remember the cat?

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 283 of 301 (379533)
01-24-2007 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by arachnophilia
01-23-2007 10:29 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
i'm confused, ray. are you complaining, or aren't you?
if you're not offended at all, what's the big deal, exactly?
There is no shame or insult in being incarcerated in Showcase (formerly Boot Camp) Forums. Objective persons (who are not naieve) know the real reason is rage caused by the inability to refute and the perceived harm to status quo arguments; and the censorship is instantly explained when we remember that we are Creationists and our captors are Darwinists.
I have said the above before and will never tire of pointing these invulnerable truths out. If roles were reversed the premise is not harmed.
Arach: why was Faith permanently banned?
Ray

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arachnophilia
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Message 284 of 301 (379535)
01-24-2007 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Cold Foreign Object
01-24-2007 2:57 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
There is no shame or insult in being incarcerated in Showcase (formerly Boot Camp) Forums. Objective persons (who are not naieve) know the real reason is rage caused by the inability to refute and the perceived harm to status quo arguments; and the censorship is instantly explained when we remember that we are Creationists and our captors are Darwinists.
so what you're saying is that you see yourself as a martyr, and you like being a martyr?
If roles were reversed the premise is not harmed.
hey ray, i know you post(ed) at talk.origins, but have you ever been over to uncommon descent?
Arach: why was Faith permanently banned?
don't ask me, i keep arguing against that. you know, because i'm an evil-darwinist-captor, and all that.


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Message 285 of 301 (379536)
01-24-2007 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Cold Foreign Object
01-24-2007 2:57 PM


The effectiveness of not calling people liars
Hi, Ray! Since you're such an honest, sober-minded fellow, I'm sure you've just forgotten about this business. It is in no way possible that you are dishonest, or mentally unstable.
I'm sure that, now that this has once again been called to your attention, you will do the right thing, and either quote me saying, "anyone who does not agree with me is mentally ill," or admit you were wrong. You're that great a guy.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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