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Author Topic:   Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century
Fosdick 
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Message 301 of 313 (379336)
01-23-2007 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by jar
01-23-2007 5:21 PM


Re: Just opinions, that's all
Hoot wrote:

Everything said so far on this thread and others about "gay marriage" are OPINIONS. Nothing else. In a democracy opinion rules if it gains a majority vote. So take a public vote on same-sex "narriage" and see what you get. What could be more democratic than that? But DON'T tell me that a minority opinion has special rights just because it's an opinion. These things are basic, folks. Why are they so difficult for perfectly intelligent people to grasp?


jar replied:

Denying inheritance rights is an opinion?

Denying someone the right to donate blood is an opinion?

Denying someone access to health care is an opinion?

Denying someone access to equal protection under the law is an opinion?


Well, they are opinions of the general public, at least, and also the opinions of the legislatures and courts of this "bigoted" country of ours. Do those count for anything?

—Hoot


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berberry
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Message 302 of 313 (379337)
01-23-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Taz
01-19-2007 3:38 PM


Where's berberry?
Taz asks:

quote:
By the way, where's berberry?

I'm still here, although I don't come around often anymore.

I chose to answer your question because I know some people in my own life are asking the same thing about me. I've narrowed my list of friends down a bit since the whole gay marriage thing erupted, as I've become much less patient with anyone and everyone who argues that there's anything at all sinful or immoral about a person's sexuality. If you think about it, there no argument possible that isn't insulting and demeaning, and I've grown weary of being insulted and demeaned. I try to stay away from it for the most part.

In some ways I think I've got it better than a lot of people, in that it's easy for me to tell who my enemies are. When you surround yourself with only open-minded people, you find there's much less stress in your life. Sleep comes more easily.

In other ways it's not so good. I have no relationship to speak of with my dad anymore, for instance. As sexuality is discussed more and more in public these days, he's retreated more and more into a fundementalist christian fantasy world, and I simply can't do more than exchange forced pleasantries when I see him these days.

I went through all this at age 19 when I came out. It's like I'm going through it all over again, only this time I've become much more intolerant toward willful bigotry and stupidity.

You know, I never realized just how much I used to put up with racial bigotry from white friends and family. I guess I just chose to ignore it, but my experiences of the past few years have forced me to recognize it.


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Dan Carroll
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Message 303 of 313 (379338)
01-23-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Fosdick
01-23-2007 7:18 PM


Re: Good question.
There must be some reason other than bigotry that prevents the gays from marrying each other.

You feel free to tell us what that reason is any time you feel like it, Ralph. While you ponder, perhaps you could explain how it works around that pesky equal-treatment-for-all-citizens thing.

That being said, I know it's hard to think of valid ways to legally strip a minority of rights, and still claim you're not a bigot. Feel free to take another five or six threads to mindless repeat your previously stated nonsense while you come up with something.


"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert
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jar
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Message 304 of 313 (379339)
01-23-2007 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by Fosdick
01-23-2007 8:15 PM


Re: Just opinions, that's all

Well, they are opinions of the general public, at least, and also the opinions of the legislatures and courts of this "bigoted" country of ours. Do those count for anything?

Well no, they are not opinions.

An opinion would be "It is okay to deny rights."

The actions though are NOT opinions.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nator
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Message 305 of 313 (379340)
01-23-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Fosdick
01-22-2007 5:12 PM


Re: My excuse for being rational
quote:
The Good Fairies were scrawny and surly and very aloof towards me.

How were you towards them?

quote:
They probably didn't like the smell of my testosterone.

Er, low testosterone in men doesn't "turn you gay".

If anything, they would like the smell of your testosterone, since they like men.


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crashfrog
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Message 306 of 313 (379341)
01-23-2007 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by berberry
01-23-2007 8:16 PM


Re: Where's berberry?
You know, I never realized just how much I used to put up with racial bigotry from white friends and family. I guess I just chose to ignore it, but my experiences of the past few years have forced me to recognize it.

That's a tough row to hoe, Berb. If it helps any there's a lot of us who think it's pretty much bullshit that anybody has to live with that.


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jar
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Message 307 of 313 (379342)
01-23-2007 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Dan Carroll
01-23-2007 8:16 PM


Re: Good question.
Actually I doubt it is Ralph. He sounds more and more like Cliff Claven.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nator
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Message 308 of 313 (379343)
01-23-2007 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Fosdick
01-22-2007 7:54 PM


Re: My excuse for being rational
quote:
I just happen to hold the opinion that marriage is for opposite sexes in order for them to start a family.

So, by your logic, my husband and I should not have been allowed to get married because we had absolutely no intention of ever having natural children.

Also, by your logic, infertile couples shouldn't be allowed to marry, either.


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berberry
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Message 309 of 313 (379347)
01-23-2007 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by crashfrog
01-23-2007 8:21 PM


Re: Where's berberry?
Thanks, crash. And yes, kind words always help.


W.W.E.D.?
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Fosdick 
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Message 310 of 313 (379349)
01-23-2007 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by berberry
01-23-2007 8:16 PM


Re: Where's berberry?
Berberry, may I sincerely ask you a relevant question? In all due resepct, could you tell me if you chose to be gay, or was it deeply embedded in you somehow, over which you had no control? A biologist might ask, Was it in your genes? I would value your answer.

—Hoot Mon


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nator
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Message 311 of 313 (379350)
01-23-2007 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Fosdick
01-23-2007 11:55 AM


Re: My excuse for being rational
quote:
If I had my way all public school children would wear uniforms, sit up straight, and get two tablespoons of cod liver oil for lunch. Then they would all go home to find their mothers darning socks and making chocolate-chip cookies.

Would Mom also be a strung-out-on-Valium alcoholic?

Take off the rose-colored glasses, Ralph.

The 50's were NOT Utopia.


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nator
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Message 312 of 313 (379352)
01-23-2007 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Fosdick
01-23-2007 12:04 PM


Re: My excuse for being rational
The MAJORITY opinion has no bearing on right and wrong.

quote:
So you're against democracy?

"Majority rule" does NOT apply to our Civil Rights.

The Bill of Rights exists to, "protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority."

I guess when you were so busy being taught to sit up straight in your uniform in school, they forgot to teach you Civics.


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AdminPD
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Message 313 of 313 (379353)
01-23-2007 8:47 PM


End of Thread
300's the limit
Stow the prose,
No more discussion
It's time to close.

Finis

See you in another thread. Magic Wand


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