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Message 11 of 25 (374287)
01-03-2007 11:54 PM
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01-02-2007 3:57 PM


Re: What does it say?
2 peter 3:8 puts the flood another 1000 years in the past to around 5400 years which puts Adam approximately 7500 years ago. This puts the Shrinxs was built before the Egyptians arrived thus one can only conclude by the flood marks the sphinxs was built before the flood approximately 6,500 years ago. Because of the Words about the great roof over the altar (the Great Pyramid of Giza) built by Seths kins next to the Sphinxs both built pre-flood by Seths kin.
The prophecy of the Word (our savior) given to Adam approximately 7,500 years ago was that the Word would come out of Egypt 5,500 years but the world would first experience a Flood.
The lost books of Adam and Eve in the the forgotten books of the bible: the prophecy given to Adam in respect to the coming the flood, The Word coming out of Egypt, the wisemen, etc...kjv matthew 2:11. & kjv matthew 2:15
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THEN Seth, the just, called his son Enos, and Cainan, son of Enos, and Mahalaleel, son of Cainan, and said unto them:--
2 "As my end is near, I wish to build a roof over the altar on which gifts are offered."
3 They hearkened to his commandment and went out, all of them, both old and young, and worked hard at it, and built a beautiful roof over the altar.
4 And Seth's thought in so doing, was that a blessing should come upon his children on the
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mountain; and that he should present an offering for them before his death.
5 Then when the building of the roof was completed, he commanded them to make offerings. They worked diligently at these, and brought them to Seth their father who took them and offered them upon the altar; and prayed God to accept their offerings, to have mercy on the souls of his children, and to keep them from the hand of Satan.
6 And God accepted his offering, and sent His blessing upon him and upon his children. And then God made a promise to Seth, saying, "At the end of the great five days and a half, concerning which I have made a promise to thee and to thy father, I will send My Word and save thee and thy seed."
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2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
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O Seth, my son, the moment I am dead take ye my body and wind it up with myrrh, aloes, and cassia, and leave me here in this Cave of Treasures in which are all these tokens which God gave us from the garden.
10 "O my son, hereafter shall a flood come and overwhelm all creatures, and leave out only eight souls.
11 "But, O my son, let those whom it will leave out from among your children at that time, take my body with them out of this cave; and when they have taken it with them, let the oldest among them command his children to lay my body in a ship until the flood has been assuaged, and they come out of the ship.
12 Then they shall take my body and lay it in the middle of the earth, shortly after they have been saved from the waters of the flood.
13 "For the place where my body shall be laid, is the middle of the earth; God shall come from thence and shall save all our kindred.
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17 He then turned to his son Seth, and to Eve his wife, and said to them, "Preserve this gold, this incense, and this myrrh, that God has given us for a sign; for in days that are coming, a flood will overwhelm the whole creation. But those who shall go into the ark shall take with them the gold, the incense, and the myrrh, together with my body; and will lay the gold, the incense, and the myrrh, with my body in the midst of the earth.
18 "Then, after a long time, the city in which the gold, the incense, and the myrrh are found with my body, shall be plundered. But when it is spoiled, the gold the incense, and the myrrh shall be taken care of with the spoil that is kept; and naught of them shall perish, until the Word of God, made man shall come; when kings shall take them, and shall offer to Him, gold in token of His being King; incense, in token of His being God of heaven and earth; and myrrh, in token of His passion.
19 "Gold also, as a token of His overcoming Satan, and all our foes; incense as a token that He will rise from the dead, and be exalted above things in heaven and things in the earth; and myrrh, in token that He will drink bitter gall; and feel the pains of hell from Satan.
20 "And now, O Seth, my son, behold I have revealed unto thee hidden mysteries, which God had revealed unto me. Keep my commandment, for thyself, and for thy people,"
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe096.htm
The Word coming out of Egypt, the wisemen, etc...kjv matthew 2:11. & kjv matthew 2:15
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johnfolton 
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Message 13 of 25 (375102)
01-07-2007 11:05 AM
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01-07-2007 6:56 AM


Re: What does it say?
What does this have to do with the Sphinx? Are you also arguing that the pyramids were built longer ago than previously thought?
The Egyptians are simply taking credit for something they didn't build, their tribes arrived on the scene around 5,000 years ago some 400 years after the biblical flood to those not ignorant of 2 peter 3:8.
You have your own evidence the sphinx was built before a great flood the water marks. The lost books of Adam and Eve great roof appears only to refer to the Great Pryamid of Giza but that it too was built before the deluge.

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Message 16 of 25 (379310)
01-23-2007 6:53 PM
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01-23-2007 8:51 AM


Two pillars one of brick" Giza Pryamid" and one of stone " Sphinx"?
Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a "pillar" at the border thereof to the LORD.
Isaiah 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
Isaiah 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
Joesephus says two pillars were created one was composed of brick, and the other of stone, so that if the pillar of brick should be destroyed, the pillar of stone would remain, both reporting the ancient discoveries, and informing men that a pillar of brick was also erected.
Josephus reports that the pillar of stone remained in the land of Siriad in his day.
http://home.kc.rr.com/hightech/evolution/evolution102.html
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Pillars of the sons of Seth
The Pillars of the sons of Seth, according to the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus, were two pillars created by the descendants of Seth and inscribed with many scientific discoveries and inventions, notably in astronomy. They were built by Seth's descendants based on Adam's prediction that the world would be destroyed at one time by fire and another time by global flood, in order to protect the discoveries and be remembered after the destruction. One was composed of brick, and the other of stone, so that if the pillar of brick should be destroyed, the pillar of stone would remain, both reporting the ancient discoveries, and informing men that a pillar of brick was also erected. Josephus reports that the pillar of stone remained in the land of Siriad in his day.
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Message 18 of 25 (379328)
01-23-2007 7:47 PM
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01-23-2007 7:25 PM


Re: Two pillars one of brick" Giza Pryamid" and one of stone " Sphinx"?
The flood, I am told, created the depth of the Grand Canyon in sediment, raised Mount Everest from level ground, and shot water from the depth of the Earth into space - but it did not affect these two monuments? Granted the Sphinx was buried in sand for quite some time, but certainly not to any depth I would expect given what I am told the flood did to the rest of the planet.
You had previously stated that the Pyramid was an altar, not a pillar created to survive a flood for the purpose of preserving knowledge.
IE: I still do not understand why these two monuments are evidence of a pre-flood society or that the flood took place at all.
The pryamid is built on the Giza Plateau in that it was a plateau in Seths day unlike the El Capitan Plateau that was upthrusted after the flood sediments settled. This is why its visible today and the Sphinx only partially covered in the sediments. The sphinx has visible water marking testifying it went through a deluge and could only of been created before the biblical deluge.
In America you have the El Capitan Plateau that the sediment flowed to and then it was thrusted upwards. This is why there you have coral fossils that were once below sea level now above sea level with over a mile of sediments.
Before the flood happened you had approximately 7,000 years of coral growth before the biblical deluge. If one day is as a thousand years 2 peter 3:8 you have the flood happening approximately 5400 years ago.
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Message 21 of 25 (379465)
01-24-2007 9:40 AM
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01-24-2007 5:29 AM


Re: Two pillars?
There is no other way that a structure could have visible water markings yet have not gone through a world wide flood?
Even if the markings were evidence of a large flood, the Sphinx is just 8 or so kilometres (5 miles or so) from the Nile river, which (before the Aswan High Dam) would flood very often, so certainly doesn't indicate a large (i.e. world-wide) flood.
I doubt you can support that the Nile River is flooding these pillars to account for the flood markings Jon expressed in the opening thread.
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opening thread asks this question!
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What does it say?
The Great Sphinx is an Egyptian monument built at the site of Giza, Egypt (location of the Great Pyramids). In more recent times, a debate has ensued between what are considered "amateur" archaeologists and geologists by the professional community, and the professional community itself. The debate is thus:
These "amateur" geologists have agreed that the sides of the Sphinx and Sphinx enclosure (the pit that the statue sits in) show clear signs of water erosion through heavy rain downfall. The Giza Plateau is made of limestone, which alternate in layers based on hardness (soft layer, hard layer, soft layer, etc.). These geologists claim that had the Sphinx been eroded through by the wind, the soft layers would be missing, but the hard layers would have been left fully intact. However, the hard layers show up-down channels running between the alternating soft layers. It is their belief that the only way such erosion could've been caused is by heavy rains pounding down and trickling through cracks in the hard layers: slowly eating away at them.
The kicker of their theory is that the last time a rainfall sufficient enough to cause such erosion on the plateau would've stopped around the end of the last Ice Age! Some geologists are more conservative, and don't go back that far, but it still suggests an older date (4500 BC being the date accepted by the "pros"). A date of at least a few thousand years earlier, which is earlier than it has been previously thought a civilization even existed in Egypt.
What do the professionals have to say about this? Well, they think these people are all on crack (meth? pot? some sort of drug). They accept that the Sphinx was built by Khafre (Chephren), builder of the second pyramid on the plateau; placing it at around 4500 BC.
Please, check out this Wikipedia Article for pictures and more information.
So, tell me, what do you think happened? Is the Sphinx proof of a much older civilization? Is their an explanation for the erosion patterns found?

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Message 24 of 25 (379636)
01-24-2007 10:07 PM
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01-24-2007 7:05 PM


Re: Two pillars?
As I said before, they are not flood markings. A body of still water couldn't produce such markings - water running over and of the back of the Sphinx, as Schoch suggests, could.
There is no evidence the nile has flooded the Sphinx, at least none I could find. Do you have a link supporting the flooding of the Sphinx by the Nile River.
If not, then its the Creationists flood model. The rain pelted down for 40 days causing the water to rise up above the giza plateau and then flowed off the earth is not exactly a body of still water.
You have the evidence of sand left behind from the flood excavated that in agreement with the Creationists biblical flood model, etc...
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The Great Sphinx is an Egyptian monument built at the site of Giza, Egypt (location of the Great Pyramids). In more recent times, a debate has ensued between what are considered "amateur" archaeologists and geologists by the professional community, and the professional community itself. The debate is thus:
These "amateur" geologists have agreed that the sides of the Sphinx and Sphinx enclosure (the pit that the statue sits in) show clear signs of water erosion through heavy rain downfall. The Giza Plateau is made of limestone, which alternate in layers based on hardness (soft layer, hard layer, soft layer, etc.). These geologists claim that had the Sphinx been eroded through by the wind, the soft layers would be missing, but the hard layers would have been left fully intact. However, the hard layers show up-down channels running between the alternating soft layers. It is their belief that the only way such erosion could've been caused is by heavy rains pounding down and trickling through cracks in the hard layers: slowly eating away at them.
Great Sphinx of Giza - Wikipedia
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