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Lysimachus
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Message 271 of 308 (379629)
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


From Freedom to Fascism
It is so sad to see so many of you hear gloat over someone else's missfortune.

Do you think that most of the atheists here even care whether Kent paid his taxes or not? Phhuuh. Not in the least. Most of you hear are gloating over his missfortune because of his person. Because you were sick of his "ridiculous" creation theories. That's the root of it, and it's certainly a root of evil.

Very sad. Goes to show just how "compassionate" the atheists/evolutionsts truly are as they claim to be. The term "finally" at the end of the topic of this forum really says alot. And it surely doesn't send a pretty message. "Celebrating" over his 10 year sentence? If I were standing in front of you right now, and if I had no fear in a Living God, I would slap you in the face very hard.

I just wonder how quick you would be to defend one of your prized evolutionists if they were sent to prison for "tax evasion". Suddenly, the subject of "evolution", "creation", or his personage would be of no consequence, rather, probing for justifications for the so called "tax evasion" would start to rise like no-houdini. A pretense in "patriotism" would arise declaring it "unjust". But because it's "Kent Hovind"....forget it baby!!

I pay my taxes, pretty much because we live in a world of corruption, and there really isn't any choice. But that doesn't mean it's legal to pay Federal Income Tax.

Would you like to see a video that is taking America by storm? It's called:

America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=

Now we'll see who's really "busted" in the eyes of justice, though unfortunately those eyes of justice may never again exercise its authority.

Link taken from www.freedomtofacism.com

I highly suggest you watch the full video on google before responding. It builds up to a lot of shocking things in the middle and near the end that will blow you away.

Best wishes.

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Chiroptera
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Message 272 of 308 (379637)
01-24-2007 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


freedom to be a complete dingbat nutcake
You're right, it's not really about taxes. It's about Hovind being a complete dingbat nutcake. Something had to be done with him. I'm not sure prison is necessarily the right place for him, but unfortunately in this country we put complete dingbat nutcakes in prison. Maybe if we had a better mental health service in this country, but I bet Hovind and his supporters have been all for cutting social welfare spending.

And, yes, he would still be a complete dingbat nutcake if he were supportive of evolution.


But government...is not simply the way we express ourselves collectively but also often the only way we preserve our freedom from private power and its incursions. -- Bill Moyers (quoting John Schwarz)

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arachnophilia
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Message 273 of 308 (379646)
01-24-2007 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
Most of you hear are gloating over his missfortune because of his person.

no, it's just interesting to see someone with a totally backwards perspective on reality get effectively schooled on the facts of life.

Because you were sick of his "ridiculous" creation theories.

on the contrary. we find them quite amusing. now, aig might have been sick of kent, but he's always good for a laugh in the evolution circles.

That's the root of it, and it's certainly a root of evil.

i thought money was the root of all evil? like, say, all that money ken was supposed to pay the government, and didn't.

Very sad. Goes to show just how "compassionate" the atheists/evolutionsts truly are as they claim to be.

on the contrary, i think we all feel for his wife, jo, and are glad to hear that she doesn't have to serve time. of course, this seems to be because she has some touch on reality, and was simply suckered by kent's slick salesmanship. you can see in the personal conversations that she understands they committed a crime. kent does not. he is unrepentant.

If I were standing in front of you right now, and if I had no fear in a Living God, I would slap you in the face very hard.

and we would turn you the other cheek.

I just wonder how quick you would be to defend one of your prized evolutionists if they were sent to prison for "tax evasion"

tax evasion is tax evasion. if you're stupid enough to think you don't have to pay taxes, or that you can get away with it, you deserve what you get. but kent here has a long and well known history of tax evasion, and various other monetary frauds. why are you quick to defend him? he got what anyone else would have gotten.

Suddenly, the subject of "evolution", "creation", or his personage would be of no consequence, rather, probing for justifications for the so called "tax evasion" would start to rise like no-houdini.

kent's tax evasion stems from his utter disregard for the real world. it's something that we have recognized for a long time. lie, distort, weasel, and ignore evidence, honesty, and law. kent is a crackpot, even in creationist circles. he is getting punished because he thinks he's better than everyone else, and thinks that laws don't apply to him.

A pretense in "patriotism" would arise declaring it "unjust". But because it's "Kent Hovind"....forget it baby!!

it's patriotic to not pay your taxes? what? i don't care HOW you feel about the bush administration, you still have to help fund public services that the government supplies -- like, the police, schools, etc.

I pay my taxes, pretty much because we live in a world of corruption, and there really isn't any choice. But that doesn't mean it's legal to pay Federal Income Tax.

in other words, you agree with kent. (but you're not stupid enough to not pay them). look, nobody likes taxes. but you have to pay them. the first article of the constitution of the united states grants the government the power to collect direct taxes. and pollock v. farmers' loan and trust (1895) states that income taxes are to be considered direct taxes.

it's absolutely unreasonable to expect to live under the protection of a government, without some way to fund government. without taxes, all you have is anarchy.

America: Freedom to Fascism

mussolini defined facism as "the merger between state and corporate powers." under that definition (and i think mussolini would know), the united states is fascist. and if you don't like it, stop electing people that used to head multination corporations.


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Omnivorous
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Message 274 of 308 (379649)
01-24-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
Lysimachus writes:

It is so sad to see so many of you hear gloat over someone else's missfortune.

It was not misfortune; it was a premeditated crime.

I just wonder how quick you would be to defend one of your prized evolutionists if they were sent to prison for "tax evasion". Suddenly, the subject of "evolution", "creation", or his personage would be of no consequence, rather, probing for justifications for the so called "tax evasion" would start to rise like no-houdini. A pretense in "patriotism" would arise declaring it "unjust". But because it's "Kent Hovind"....forget it baby!!

All the tax evaders I can recall from recent years have been wing-nut white supremacy fascists and evangelicals. No connection, I'm sure.

If I were standing in front of you right now, and if I had no fear in a Living God, I would slap you in the face very hard.

Then you've already committed the sin, haven't you?

Unlike Spidey, I'm not a Christian. I'd kick your ass.


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Message 275 of 308 (379650)
01-24-2007 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
If I were standing in front of you right now, and if I had no fear in a Living God, I would slap you in the face very hard.

Typical fundy Christian. You guys are always so quick to resort to violence.

However, it is also another sign of just how ignorant fundy Christians really are. That is NOT something you would be wise to do. Do that and the Living God will be the least of your worries. LOL


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Phalanx
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Message 276 of 308 (379652)
01-24-2007 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
The reason we're here, laughing at the shere idiocy that is Kent Hovind, is not because he's a creationist. It's because he's simply dumb enough to believe his own hoopla. Aside from purporting arguments that have already been shown to be false, he took on the IRS. If there were any branch of the federal government that you didn't want to mess with, it's the IRS, they usually catch up with you.

So, before you go praising Hovind for his valiant stand against the unjust oppressor that is the federal government, you ought to find out the truth to his claims (if there is any, at all).

Just as a side note, maybe you shouldn't believe everything you see in a movie. I mean, it makes for great entertainment, but Jurassic Park is not a good source of information on modern genetic engineering. Also, you should probably do some fact-checking on the claims made by that film. If you did, you might find that some things said in it are out and out lies.


And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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anglagard
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Message 277 of 308 (379653)
01-25-2007 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


From the New Testament to Threat of Violence
Lysimachus writes:

If I were standing in front of you right now, and if I had no fear in a Living God, I would slap you in the face very hard.

As the Baptists say "What would Jesus do?"

Evidently some people have a rather unexpected answer.

Perhaps you may want to consider rereading the New Testament. I don't remember Hovind being identified as the messiah.


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Lysimachus
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Message 278 of 308 (379657)
01-25-2007 12:13 AM


That's precisely why I would not commit to such violence, because that's exactly what Jesus wouldn't do.

I'm telling you how my natural flesh would love to react when provoked. To "celebrate" over someone's missfortune??? Come on now, that's outragous. Not even I would "celebrate" if one of your stuanch evolutionists were sent to jail. Even you know, celebrating over that is simply immoral. We should never delight or "celebrate" in the punishment of any victim, whether they be guilty or whether they be innocent.

Now tell you me saw the google video thoroughly. Bet you haven't yet. Just wait till you do.


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Message 279 of 308 (379658)
01-25-2007 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
Lysimachus writes:

I would slap you in the face very hard.

Hi Lysimachus. Nice to see you posting again. You're a needed member of the creo team here, but hey, good bud, what's this?? Jesus said not only to refrain from the above, but if someone else does it to you, turn the other cheek.

I'm sorry to see Kent & wife in prison also even though I didn't buy all of his claims. It appears they've found a way to go after these tax protestors who've been dodging the system by using the loopholes. A deceased guy I knew before he died got by for a number of years before his death using a similar risky strategy.


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Lysimachus
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Message 280 of 308 (379661)
01-25-2007 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by arachnophilia
01-24-2007 10:30 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
quote:
mussolini defined facism as "the merger between state and corporate powers." under that definition (and i think mussolini would know), the united states is fascist. and if you don't like it, stop electing people that used to head multination corporations.

For your information, I agree with you. The United States has become, in a great degree, "fascist", which in a way, justifies Kent Hovind. I live in America, yes, but I do not vote. I don't vote at all because I personally don't believe in it. If I vote for someone who does evil to this country, I am in a great degree responsible. You're classifying me in the wrong crowd.

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Lysimachus
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Message 281 of 308 (379662)
01-25-2007 12:21 AM
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01-25-2007 12:18 AM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
Hey Buz, nice to see you posting again. I'm simply stating that if I wasn't a Christian, that's what I would be severely tempted to do. I'm trying to emphasize just how provoking their statements can be, that's all. I'm saying that's what I wouldn't do.

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kuresu
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Message 282 of 308 (379664)
01-25-2007 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Lysimachus
01-25-2007 12:18 AM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
and how do you change a fascist state that allows elections? you vote against those fascists.

to bad you're not voting then. your actually giving the fascist voters greater power, becasue their vote carries a greater value.

the other option is to move to a liberal country and escape the fascism. you know, like to Sweden.


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anglagard
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Message 283 of 308 (379665)
01-25-2007 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Lysimachus
01-25-2007 12:18 AM


Not Voting Means Voting Against Democracy
Lysimachus writes:

I don't vote at all because I personally don't believe in it.

Yes, you don't vote because you don't believe in, or support, democracy, or the United States, or Western Civilization, or the majority of people who live under such governments.

Modern alternatives include Communism, Theocracy (Iran and Saudi Arabia), or fascism. Which one are you supporting in opposition to democracy and Western Civilization?

Hint: Hovind also supported the opposition by refusing to support the US government, military, or citizens, in deed as well as word.


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arachnophilia
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Message 284 of 308 (379666)
01-25-2007 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Lysimachus
01-25-2007 12:18 AM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
but I do not vote. I don't vote at all because I personally don't believe in it. If I vote for someone who does evil to this country, I am in a great degree responsible. You're classifying me in the wrong crowd.

in my eyes, if you do not vote, you are every bit as responsible for the election of evil-doers. apathy allows tyranny.


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arachnophilia
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Message 285 of 308 (379668)
01-25-2007 12:35 AM
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01-25-2007 12:29 AM


Re: Not Voting Means Voting Against Democracy
Modern alternatives include Communism, Theocracy (Iran and Saudi Arabia), or fascism. Which one are you supporting in opposition to democracy and Western Civilization?

from the sounds of it, anarchy, in that he does not believe in taxes. try running a government without money.


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