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Author Topic:   IMPOSSIBLE logic for evolutionists (from a smart creation scientist)
Quetzal
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Message 3 of 50 (36959)
04-14-2003 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by booboocruise
04-14-2003 6:33 AM


booboo self-promotingly writes:
I've studied evolution and creation for years, and I have NEVER lost a debate against an evolutionist.
Well, booboo, that tells me two things. 1) You've never posted on this board. 2) You've only ever argued with 8th graders. No, I take that back. My sixth grade daughter could show the flaws in your so-called logic, and I'm half tempted to let her do that.
On the other hand:
1) If evolution is true, then what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce with.
Or even if it isn't true. Single celled organisms don't reproduce by sex. They reproduce by fission, although they can swap genetic material (a process called conjugation). Therefore, your illogical strawman has collapsed. Strike one.
2) Where are the 2,3,4,5-celled organisms? Seriously, there are bacterium, but there are NO EXISTING life forms that bridge the gap between 1-celled and multi-celled organisms. And even the 6-celled organisms are parasites, and they rely on larger animals for food.
Ding. Wrong again. Choanoflagellate colonies, Mixotricha paradoxa-type symbionts, flagellate protozoan ring colonies (blastaea), are all "almost metazoan" and are believed to be representative of the first metazoan types. Strike two.
3) Did you know that Isaac Newton was a creationist--it's true
Well, it's true he was a theist who believed in divine creation. However, he did not base his laws of motion, optics and gravitation etc, on creation. He was also an alchemist. This has what to do with evolution? Foul ball.
4) What evolved first: male or female?
How about: they evolved simultaneously? Strike three. Bye.
Also, Life is NOT POSSIBLE to arise from nonliving matter. If you add oxygen to an amino-acid in the making, then the chemical oxidizes (decays). But if you withhold oxygen, then life is not possible. Either way, with or without adding oxygen to nonliving matter, life is impossible. Life comes only from life, and since God is life, then it makes sense that we are from him.
And in the bonus round, oxygen didn't appear in significant quantities in the atmosphere until around 2.1 gya. And life is extremely possible - and common - in the utter absence of oxygen.

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Quetzal
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Message 12 of 50 (37062)
04-15-2003 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by David unfamous
04-15-2003 6:44 AM


Re: booboo byebye?
That, I'm afraid, is becoming painfully obvious. Are we therefore free to speculate that he was an atheist troll who merely showed up in order to make creationists look worse than they are?

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Quetzal
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Message 35 of 50 (37643)
04-23-2003 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by booboocruise
04-23-2003 1:02 AM


Re: Interesting
Booboo, in another thread you made fairly serious, albeit vague, references to scientists and scientific organizations that have committed fraud, hidden or obfuscated evidence contrary to evolution, and refused to admit error. You were asked to provide specific examples of the claim. I find it difficult to take you seriously on this thread concerning the validity and honesty of "creation" scientists - especially Hovind and his ilk - when you seek to avoid substantiating your assertions concerning other scientists.
Please respond to this post (click on the link).
I would also be quite happy to discuss any claim or "creation science" research, article or statement here, but only if you bring to the table the specific argument. I won't argue websites. I am willing to accept provisionally your claim that "creation" scientists are in fact true scientists (tm), on the condition that you provide specific examples of their science in the context of creationism AND remain willing to discuss them here. In writing. Otherwise, I will take your claim to there being in existence a legitimate species called "creation scientist" as being disconfirmed.
Pick an example you feel compelling and be prepared to discuss it. Stop hemming and hawing.

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Quetzal
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Message 50 of 50 (37966)
04-25-2003 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Admin
04-24-2003 3:22 PM


Re: And now, a word from our topic...
Hi Topic, long time no see. How've you been?
It might be helpful if you could prevail upon your writer to flesh you out a bit. You have to admit you're a bit shallow and flippant as originally written, n'est-ce pas? Just between friends, and all...

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