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arachnophilia
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Message 25 of 308 (331895)
07-15-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Brian
07-14-2006 7:52 AM


catch-22
Does the USA still have the 'insanity' plea?
for tax evasion?
no sane person wants to pay taxes.


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Message 44 of 308 (332042)
07-15-2006 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by macaroniandcheese
07-15-2006 10:15 AM


Re: catch-22
and, i would argue, have many documents demonstrating my sanity.
uh huh. right.
i'm know you way too long for that argument to work.


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Message 51 of 308 (332841)
07-18-2006 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Coragyps
07-18-2006 9:54 AM


classic!
"subornation of false muster."
what does that even MEAN?


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Message 56 of 308 (333019)
07-18-2006 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by KChurbuck
07-18-2006 2:15 PM


hi, welcome to evc.
But that is a just a first pass opinion.
keep looking, it only gets better from there. i don't think he's a huckster -- he doesn't push the SALE as much as some folks *coughwyattcough*
i think he more than likely genuinely believes the nonsense he puts forwards.


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Message 57 of 308 (333025)
07-18-2006 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by MangyTiger
07-18-2006 5:00 PM


I'm no weasel lawyer but as best as I can work out subornation is inducing someone to commit an illegal act (usually perjury in legal usage) and false muster is a military term that basically means falsifying a roll call.
I think Hovind is claiming he's being induced to lie about who he is or where he lives or something like that
maybe i'm just stupid, but i still don't get it. i mean, i looked up the terms, too. it's just a phrase that hurts my brain, like something ray or brad would come up with. it goes in one ear, my brain goes "squish" and it comes out the other relatively unharmed.
is he claiming that he's being forced to show up in court illegally? like, saying the court does not have jurisdiction? that's my guess, based on the case you linked to.
nterestingly it's another religous wacko who thinks the US legal system doesn't have jurisdiction over him, perhaps because he's a 'citizen of heaven' and not a citizen of the US. You couldn't make it up
gotta be correlation.


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Message 62 of 308 (333081)
07-18-2006 8:27 PM
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07-18-2006 6:25 PM


I think you've got it. I think he is saying that he is being forced to act like a citizen of the USA, when he is really a citizen of heaven.
Maybe INS should charge him with being an illegal immigrant. It would be interesting to see how he played that one
yeah, maybe they'd deport him back to heaven.


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Message 67 of 308 (333160)
07-19-2006 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Chief Infidel
07-18-2006 8:55 PM


Re: I know something too
Subordination under false muster is gibberish. I spoke with a judge about it today and we both had a good laugh.
i suspected as much. it SOUNDS like gibberish.
There have been several individuals who have forgone paying income tax then tried to fight the system and lost.
death. taxes. deal with it.


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Message 68 of 308 (333163)
07-19-2006 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by johnfolton
07-19-2006 12:08 AM


Re: Christian Churches
The church issue is actually quite simple. Anyone can start a church. Churches are automatically exempt from the payment of federal income tax on their contributions and passive investment income. (See Internal Revenue Code Sections 501(c)(3) and 508(a)).
do churches have to file 501(c)(3)'s? or does "automatic" mean they don't?
if they do, i see the problem. hovind didn't think he had to do ANY paperworks -- like taking out building permits and whatnot.


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Message 70 of 308 (333173)
07-19-2006 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by johnfolton
07-19-2006 12:56 AM


Re: Christian Churches
ok, so hovind might have a case?


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Message 264 of 308 (378821)
01-21-2007 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Percy
01-21-2007 4:30 PM


Re: More News About Hovind
this is interesting and intruiging...
...but i'm not sure it's entirely in good taste?


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Message 267 of 308 (379420)
01-24-2007 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by nator
01-23-2007 10:48 PM


or start a religion and claim it all as tax-exempt.
oh.
wait.

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Message 270 of 308 (379584)
01-24-2007 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by kuresu
01-24-2007 1:00 AM


he needs to move outside of US territory to avoid our taxes.
i think he considers his church outside of us territory. perhaps the feds should have gotten him on secession as well. you know, parked some tanks outside his house.


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Message 273 of 308 (379646)
01-24-2007 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
Most of you hear are gloating over his missfortune because of his person.
no, it's just interesting to see someone with a totally backwards perspective on reality get effectively schooled on the facts of life.
Because you were sick of his "ridiculous" creation theories.
on the contrary. we find them quite amusing. now, aig might have been sick of kent, but he's always good for a laugh in the evolution circles.
That's the root of it, and it's certainly a root of evil.
i thought money was the root of all evil? like, say, all that money ken was supposed to pay the government, and didn't.
Very sad. Goes to show just how "compassionate" the atheists/evolutionsts truly are as they claim to be.
on the contrary, i think we all feel for his wife, jo, and are glad to hear that she doesn't have to serve time. of course, this seems to be because she has some touch on reality, and was simply suckered by kent's slick salesmanship. you can see in the personal conversations that she understands they committed a crime. kent does not. he is unrepentant.
If I were standing in front of you right now, and if I had no fear in a Living God, I would slap you in the face very hard.
and we would turn you the other cheek.
I just wonder how quick you would be to defend one of your prized evolutionists if they were sent to prison for "tax evasion"
tax evasion is tax evasion. if you're stupid enough to think you don't have to pay taxes, or that you can get away with it, you deserve what you get. but kent here has a long and well known history of tax evasion, and various other monetary frauds. why are you quick to defend him? he got what anyone else would have gotten.
Suddenly, the subject of "evolution", "creation", or his personage would be of no consequence, rather, probing for justifications for the so called "tax evasion" would start to rise like no-houdini.
kent's tax evasion stems from his utter disregard for the real world. it's something that we have recognized for a long time. lie, distort, weasel, and ignore evidence, honesty, and law. kent is a crackpot, even in creationist circles. he is getting punished because he thinks he's better than everyone else, and thinks that laws don't apply to him.
A pretense in "patriotism" would arise declaring it "unjust". But because it's "Kent Hovind"....forget it baby!!
it's patriotic to not pay your taxes? what? i don't care HOW you feel about the bush administration, you still have to help fund public services that the government supplies -- like, the police, schools, etc.
I pay my taxes, pretty much because we live in a world of corruption, and there really isn't any choice. But that doesn't mean it's legal to pay Federal Income Tax.
in other words, you agree with kent. (but you're not stupid enough to not pay them). look, nobody likes taxes. but you have to pay them. the first article of the constitution of the united states grants the government the power to collect direct taxes. and pollock v. farmers' loan and trust (1895) states that income taxes are to be considered direct taxes.
it's absolutely unreasonable to expect to live under the protection of a government, without some way to fund government. without taxes, all you have is anarchy.
America: Freedom to Fascism
mussolini defined facism as "the merger between state and corporate powers." under that definition (and i think mussolini would know), the united states is fascist. and if you don't like it, stop electing people that used to head multination corporations.


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Message 284 of 308 (379666)
01-25-2007 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Lysimachus
01-25-2007 12:18 AM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
but I do not vote. I don't vote at all because I personally don't believe in it. If I vote for someone who does evil to this country, I am in a great degree responsible. You're classifying me in the wrong crowd.
in my eyes, if you do not vote, you are every bit as responsible for the election of evil-doers. apathy allows tyranny.


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Message 285 of 308 (379668)
01-25-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by anglagard
01-25-2007 12:29 AM


Re: Not Voting Means Voting Against Democracy
Modern alternatives include Communism, Theocracy (Iran and Saudi Arabia), or fascism. Which one are you supporting in opposition to democracy and Western Civilization?
from the sounds of it, anarchy, in that he does not believe in taxes. try running a government without money.


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