The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.

Whatever. Believe what you want. I'm going by the scholars and assuming that reasonable folks who believe in the creed have enough sense to assume the Biblical ressurection as per the Bible is implied in the creed. Open a thread if you want to debate it with anyone who has lots of time on their hand for debating nonsense.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

yes you are. My point is: North is a relative direction. If you are standing at the north pole, then in what direction is north? To say that heaven exists: is a meaningless statement as north only applies on Earth. In what direction from the Earth is "north".

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Why in the direction of Polaris of course. Maybe Polaris is heaven?I also know that taking a right at the second star, and straight on 'till morning leads one to Never Never land.

I am confused. What do you mean "due north"? Do you mean that the magnetic north is what you would refer to as true north/due north? (as opposed to the Earths north axis)Edited by Vacate, : Clarity

The second law of thermodynamics states that in a closed system things like temperature, pressure, and density equalize over time. Entopy is the measure of how much this process of equalization has proceeded. How does the second law prove any of your speculations? First, the arrangement of the cosmos is a scientific endeavor and is not generally associated with technology, which is applied science. Your sentence should read "Why should I question the obvious arrangement of the cosmos as per modern science to revert to what some believed before science?" Why are you using the term "tech?"Second, the last time I looked, the Earth was a part of the cosmos, yet you continuously question the obvious arrangement of the Earth in other threads. You even question such obvious arrangement to the point of denying that 'light things float and heavy things sink' based upon the unfounded delusions of, in some cases, amateur guppy breeders and convicted criminals.The geosciences are not alone in what you apparently dispute as all forms of scientific knowledge cover this small portion of the cosmos known as earth. From what I can gather, you seem to have a problem with all natural science including physics (cosmology), chemistry (radioactive decay), biology (evolution), and geology (everything). This rejection of post-medieval knowledge even extends to denying the principle of isostasy (light things float and heavy things sink). Additionally, you also seem to dispute modern medicine (germ theory of disease).Naturally, you should be and are allowed to live in your own box. The problem starts when either you, or those of your ilk, demand that all reject the modern world which means poverty, disease, and eventual military conquest by foreign powers in favor of your wild speculations concerning Biblical prophecy. I notice that you dodged the question as to whether or not you have actually taken the trouble to read a single freshman college text in any natural science. How can one pronounce upon the truth or falsehood of any field they know virtually nothing about? The modern world seems to be a greater problem for you than it appears to be for any Biblical Theists that believe God created the universe , created the laws of the universe, and then allowed such a creation to proceed according to the laws of the universe that God set up. The singularity means that no one can observe prior to that point in time because there is no information. It has nothing to say about any speculative abode of God.

Buz, have you not been reading my posts ? As I already pointed out the verses may refer to spirtual realities or they may be symbols. It is up to you to show that they definitely refer to a physical place.In fact it's utterly bizarre that you should choose as one of your examples the four living creatures whose very appearance suggests that they aren't likely to be physical creatures as evidence that the verses must refer to something physical.The one remaining point is Jesus. Now if I remember correctly Paul tells us that the resurrected body is a physical body ? And after the resurrection the descriptions of Jesus have him mysteriouly appearing and disappearing. And then there's the ascension to consider. And unless you reject the idea of the Trinity Jesus is God - and since GOd is a spirit, why wouldn't Jesus have returned to spirtual form ?(And let's add that even if you can address these points you astill haven't shown anything about the situation before our Universe began which is the key point of your argument)

[quote] It seems that to effect the Genesis flood God would have done something significant to the planet to cause the condensation of the atmospheric H2O.
[/quiote]No, it seems that YECs (NOT ID'ers in general - as you know very well) invent a lot of gobbledygook to try to blame God for the fact that the evidence proves them wrong. It's really a piece of quite blatant dishonesty because there is no explanation of how it could possibly work ((and you know that, too - or you ought to).

So once again when presented with the actual text that refutes your assertion you simply try to change the subject and hand wave the evidence away. I notice you slyly try to hide the fact that you used the word "bodily" earlier. You also try to misdirect folks attention by switching to "the Bible" where earlier the subject was the Nicene Creed.Why is it Buz that when presented with the actual texts that refute your nonsense assertions you always avoid dealing with the actual evidence?You don't have to remain ignorant about Christianity Buz, many of us are willing to try to help you learn at least the very basics.The issue is really very simple as I pointed out to you up thread. There are two events, the Resurrection and the Ascension. There is nothing about the Ascension to make anyone think that Jesus post Ascension is some bodily critter.Buz, all of your efforts to make God and Jesus some physical beings simply diminishes GOD, trivializes GOD, turns GOD from being SuperNatural into simply natural.Why must you continuously try to turn GOD into some picayune bling-bling pimp daddy?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Give Buz credit for at least proposing something falsifiable. His godlet's loft apartment--complete with furniture, pets and entourage--should be visible to the Hubble Space Telescope. Buz even knows which sector of the sky to sweep.Any figure spotted on the godlet's right would be Jesus. Expect him to be browsing office furniture catalogs in preparation for his big promotion. (Dad promised him a gig as mayor of Jerusalem.)___Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML.Edited by Archer Opterix, : messing around.Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

hey buz, there ain't one massive magnetic field in the universe. once you leave the magnetic field of this planet, you have no more "north".besides, which way is north in a 3-D world? we think of the earth's surface in terms of 2-D when it comes to directions. you travel left, right, forward, backwards (often referred to as up and down, but these are being used in a horizontal sense, not a vertical sense).in space, you have freedom of movement in every direction. which one is north?

The problem is with the information your theists claim to have which leads back to the singularity. It leaves the BB theist with no before and no outside of for the Biblical god Jehovah and things around him to exist. The BB alegedly was a submicroscopic bit of space containing all the energy and space the universe now consists of. The only place for Jehovah and things described around him is within the submicroscopid bit of space superdensely compacted in the hot speck.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I don't see why the other things have to exist before the universe - if they literally exist at all. And if they are spirits rather than material beings why would space matter to them ?

God is spirit... end of this (exceptionally silly) discussion

is your faith in god based on the holes that science has yet to explain?come on, for an all-powerful god, he doesn't seem to have much power over where he gets put. if I were you, I'd let him be all-powerful and be the mover of what we call the natural world--not the king of the hole.

If I were standing on the North Pole, I would think the direction of Polaris would be the celestial north relative to earth. That's essentially what I've been trying to say, that there is a celestial region relative to earth's axis considered to be north where the northern constellations are.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28