The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.

In Revelation 4, the description is likely of older human like creatures having on garments sitting on thrones. It is also likely of real beast like creatures. The writer must describe these creatures in some terms that humans reading it would get some idea of the appearance of them. Note the word "like," which indicates calf like face of one did not actually have a calf head on it but that the shape of it's head was calf-like and so on with the other beasts with the exception that one's face actually looked like a man's face.The human like creatures evidently had God's image (shape/look) as did the man Adam whom God created and from whom we all were procreated.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Of course if an intelligent designer as per the Biblical record designed the atmosphere he would design it with purpose in mind. His purpose would be to prepare a planet suitable for the creatures and plants, et al which intended to live and propagate in it. He knew, for example that some provision must be installed in the atmosphere to effectively protect the earth from millions of meteors.Secular science must account for millions of systems pertaining to earth and life so as for the ecosystem of the earth and it's inhabitants to dwell. Of course, mainline science thinks it all, including the wonders of such things as DNA just all came about without a designer. You people surely have a lot on your plate to esplain. It boggles my mind that such intelligent folks can even imagine such a possibility that everything observed began via random processes and managed to come about without the design, oversight and work of an intelligent being having enough wisdom, knowledge and power to make it happen.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

My understanding of BB theory is that there was no area outside of it for anything to exist, including God. God would have had to be both in and outside of the BB from which time and space emerged. Thus God would not be like he is today or be eternal. He would be inclusive in a submicroscopic particle of space along with the entire energy of the universe. This, obviously, is not the God depicted in scriptures. Your house/yard analogy implies that God would exist both in and out of the BB. Your problem is that unlike your house and yard, the BB allegedly had no area outside of it nor before it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

To specifically which pronouncements of mine and what specific knowledge does you comment pertain? Specifically what did I say that you would care to debate?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

If God's abode is outside of the universe as per the OP BB problem, where do BB theists think Jesus is, being on the right hand of God's throne? Where do you think these creatures in Rev 4 existed if they're where God's throne and the man Jesus is now? Jar says he believes the Nicene Creed which includes the bodily resurrection of Jesus. That's the topic problem.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Entropy/2LTD energy can be managed by work (ID) as I understand the science of it.Why should I question the obvious arrangement of the cosmos as per modern tech to revert to what some believed before tech? The Bible does not specify the arragement of heaven except to note some of the observable arrangements of some stars. It does appear to imply that God's heaven may be in the northern region of the cosmos relative to earth in Isaiah 14:12-14. Perhaps (I say 'perhaps') that may have some bearing on the magnetic North and that North is referred to as "up." I throw that out as food for thought. The one addressed here to appears to be Satan.Speaking of science, so far I'm not seeing any scientific solutions to the OP problem posed in message one for our science minded BB Biblical theists. Can you come up with anything more scientific than what we have so far here in this thread to aleviate their problem?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Jar, as per scripture, the desciples saw Jesus rise up off the earth bodily into the clouds as he prophesied. Jesus said he would return as a man ruler. I would assume that at least 95% of Biblical scholars consider the Nicene Creed to alude to the bodily resurrection. Perhaps you are the odd one out here. If that be the case, my apologies. Of course you then have the Biblical Jesus's body to account for, the tomb being empty if it did not resurrect, that body into which he took on nourishment after his resurrection from the dead.Where is his body today as per scripture, Jar?
Are you telling the www that the Nicene Creed author with whom you apparantly agree as per your former professions was not depicting a bodily resurrection?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

My understanding is that it is somewhat offset from the N Pole relative to earth. Perhaps it was at one time due north, the earth axis having been changed at some time, say at the Genesis Edenic curse or at ww flood time. That's pure speculation on my part and certainly not a claim. It seems that to effect the Genesis flood God would have done something significant to the planet to cause the condensation of the atmospheric H2O. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

The Biblical account would apply relative to earth, being a book about earth, would it not? Or am I missunderstanding your point?

Whatever. Believe what you want. I'm going by the scholars and assuming that reasonable folks who believe in the creed have enough sense to assume the Biblical ressurection as per the Bible is implied in the creed. Open a thread if you want to debate it with anyone who has lots of time on their hand for debating nonsense.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

The problem is with the information your theists claim to have which leads back to the singularity. It leaves the BB theist with no before and no outside of for the Biblical god Jehovah and things around him to exist. The BB alegedly was a submicroscopic bit of space containing all the energy and space the universe now consists of. The only place for Jehovah and things described around him is within the submicroscopid bit of space superdensely compacted in the hot speck.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

If I were standing on the North Pole, I would think the direction of Polaris would be the celestial north relative to earth. That's essentially what I've been trying to say, that there is a celestial region relative to earth's axis considered to be north where the northern constellations are.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

1. My faith in God is based on the fact that I see the Biblical account of him as proven to be credible. When the "holes that secular science has yet to explain" essentially cancel out the Biblical god leaving him without an area of existence and rendering him temporal, I must choose which I consider to be the most credible. The Biblical account wins over the BB thermodynamically and on almost all accounts, imo.2. All powerful? Again the Biblical god Jehovah is the power god creating, designing, managing the whole uiverse today, yesterday and forever whereas the BB god does nothing but watch, has no area to exist in and couldn't have existed more than a few billion years.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Your problem is that Percy, Jar, Phat and a number of you believe this spirit exists as well as his son Jesus whom their Bible declares to be with God at this time. If this spirit being exists with his son and other spirit beings, where was he existing during and before the singularity if there was not outside of the singularity? What's so silly about that? The discussion isn't silly. You appear to want the problem to go away rather than to admit the problem exists. The universe is suppose to include everything that exists as I understand science on that count.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I understand that when work is applied the equalizing may vary relative to the work being applied, i.e. creation/management. Creation is work in which energy is transferred form one source to another effecting an equalizing of energy relative to creator and elements of creation. I'm not trying to prove anything perse by it. I'm simply applying the science to it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28