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Author Topic:   The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.
Buzsaw
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Message 106 of 149 (380788)
01-28-2007 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by kuresu
01-28-2007 7:32 PM


Re: the system of heavens
kuresu writes:
is your faith in god based on the holes that science has yet to explain?
come on, for an all-powerful god, he doesn't seem to have much power over where he gets put. if I were you, I'd let him be all-powerful and be the mover of what we call the natural world--not the king of the hole.
1. My faith in God is based on the fact that I see the Biblical account of him as proven to be credible. When the "holes that secular science has yet to explain" essentially cancel out the Biblical god leaving him without an area of existence and rendering him temporal, I must choose which I consider to be the most credible. The Biblical account wins over the BB thermodynamically and on almost all accounts, imo.
2. All powerful? Again the Biblical god Jehovah is the power god creating, designing, managing the whole uiverse today, yesterday and forever whereas the BB god does nothing but watch, has no area to exist in and couldn't have existed more than a few billion years.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 107 of 149 (380792)
01-28-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by cavediver
01-28-2007 7:21 PM


Re: the system of heavens
cavediver writes:
God is spirit... end of this (exceptionally silly) discussion
Your problem is that Percy, Jar, Phat and a number of you believe this spirit exists as well as his son Jesus whom their Bible declares to be with God at this time. If this spirit being exists with his son and other spirit beings, where was he existing during and before the singularity if there was not outside of the singularity? What's so silly about that? The discussion isn't silly. You appear to want the problem to go away rather than to admit the problem exists. The universe is suppose to include everything that exists as I understand science on that count.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 149 (380794)
01-28-2007 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by anglagard
01-28-2007 2:19 AM


Re: the system of heavens
anglagard writes:
The second law of thermodynamics states that in a closed system things like temperature, pressure, and density equalize over time. Entopy is the measure of how much this process of equalization has proceeded. How does the second law prove any of your speculations?
I understand that when work is applied the equalizing may vary relative to the work being applied, i.e. creation/management. Creation is work in which energy is transferred form one source to another effecting an equalizing of energy relative to creator and elements of creation. I'm not trying to prove anything perse by it. I'm simply applying the science to it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Greatest I am
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Message 109 of 149 (380805)
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


Many bb
Hello
I am a little late in your discussion but would like to contribute something. I profess to be a prophet who has touched the mind of God.
Before you burst and start thinking up skiso jokes, please remember that most of the Bible was written by those who had most of their information conveyed to them while they were "in the spirit".
When I was there this is what I saw.
God in a great expanse with many big bangs happening all around, many universes in flux growing and shrinking non stop. New earths following the new bangs and old earths shrinking with the old. Whole universes melding the way we see stars melding. This I saw in a quick time through His eyes. Human eyes alone could not have perceived this.
This I think was not fore most in His mind at the time because I think He was intent on teaching me of the Holy Spirit, regardless I thought I would share this to see what you all thought of the experience.
Regards
DL

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kuresu
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Message 110 of 149 (380811)
01-28-2007 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Many bb
Before you burst and start thinking up skiso jokes, please remember that most of the Bible was written by those who had most of their information conveyed to them while they were "in the spirit".
really? No wonder the bible is so screwed up. It was written by a bunch of mentally unstable people!
you know, arguing that "because someone else did x makes me okay" doesn't hold any water, period. in fact, as I just did, it can be turned against you quite readily and easily, making you look the fool.
since when did arguing that "before you acuse me of being wrong by murdering these thousands, Ida Amin did the same thing!" work?

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anastasia
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Message 111 of 149 (380814)
01-28-2007 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Many bb
GreatestIam writes:
I am a little late in your discussion but would like to contribute something. I profess to be a prophet who has touched the mind of God.
Funny, we are blessed by so many prophets here I would think EvC itself is blessed! If this is but a cross-section of humanity, there must be countless prophets. Such comforting news!
On a serious note, I thought it was God who usually touched the minds of prophets, not the other way around?

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Buzsaw
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Message 112 of 149 (380817)
01-28-2007 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Many bb
LOL. If you saw God it wasn't the god of the Bible who doesn't show himself to his prophets or anyone else.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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johnfolton 
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Message 113 of 149 (380822)
01-28-2007 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Many bb
God in a great expanse with many big bangs happening all around, many universes in flux growing and shrinking non stop. New earths following the new bangs and old earths shrinking with the old. Whole universes melding the way we see stars melding.
If each galaxy has a black hole there might of indeed have been many big bangs happening. This is kind of what they are discussing to explain the spreading out of the heavens. Whole universes melding could be how the Andromeda galaxy will in time meld with the milky way. What you saw seems plausible in respect to the expansion of the heavens.
The Word says that God alone is responsible for the spreading out of the heavens.
http://haydenplanetarium.org/resources/ava/page/index.php
Some online video's.
Enjoy,
Charlie
http://www.theevidence.org/episodes/episode15.php
http://www.theevidence.org/episodes/episode11.php
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 114 of 149 (380838)
01-29-2007 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


double post
double post
Edited by Archer Opterix, : seeing double.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : ditched the sig.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 115 of 149 (380839)
01-29-2007 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


blue true dream of sky
God in a great expanse with many big bangs happening all around, many universes in flux growing and shrinking non stop. New earths following the new bangs and old earths shrinking with the old. Whole universes melding the way we see stars melding.[...]
This I think was not fore most in His mind at the time because I think He was intent on teaching me of the Holy Spirit
The Supreme Being puts the vast number of universes he's creating on automatic just to give you a private tutorial? My. This makes you a very important person indeed.
And the perfect counterweight to Buz. We get to see both extremes.
Buz shrinks his deity to small material size, like a human. You inflate yourself to grand cosmic proportions, like a god.
The ambition is the same: to make God your buddy. You want to imagine yourselves confidants of the Supreme Being the way other people are confidants of old high school classmates.
It saddens me to inform both of you that the endeavor is foolish. I see nothing resembling revelation from either of you.
Wisdom begins by telling the truth. By letting things be what they are.
When you neglect recognition of the chasm that exists between cosmic scales and your own, it becomes questionable whether you have ever had a genuinely religious experience at all.
Here is the real thing.

i thank You God for most this amazing
day:for the leaping greenly spirits of trees
and a blue true dream of sky;and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes
(i who have died am alive again today,
and this is the sun's birthday;this is the birth
day of life and love and wings:and of the gay
great happening illimitably earth)
how should tasting touching hearing seeing
breathing any--lifted from the no
of all nothing--human merely being
doubt unimaginable You?
(now the ears of my ears awake and
now the eyes of my eyes are opened)
- e. e. cummings
___
Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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From: East Asia
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Message 116 of 149 (380841)
01-29-2007 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by anastasia
01-28-2007 10:33 PM


Fax from God
anastasia:
Funny, we are blessed by so many prophets here I would think EvC itself is blessed!
Interesting to see so many people at a debate site eager to place their own position above debate.
Lack of confidence, I guess.

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sidelined
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Message 117 of 149 (380848)
01-29-2007 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Many bb
Greatest I am
God in a great expanse with many big bangs happening all around, many universes in flux growing and shrinking non stop. New earths following the new bangs and old earths shrinking with the old. Whole universes melding the way we see stars melding. This I saw in a quick time through His eyes. Human eyes alone could not have perceived this.
SO what does a Big Bang look like anyway and how would you know it was a Big Bang having never witnessed one?

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Greatest I am
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Message 118 of 149 (380867)
01-29-2007 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by kuresu
01-28-2007 10:15 PM


Re: Many bb
I will be judged by my words hopefully.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 119 of 149 (380868)
01-29-2007 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by sidelined
01-29-2007 7:14 AM


Re: Many bb
I saw one on tv.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 120 of 149 (380873)
01-29-2007 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by anastasia
01-28-2007 10:33 PM


Re: Many bb
I explain contact this way.
If you can picture lightning, the major charge in in the sky, the minor charge on the earth.
When lightning strikes, a small trailer of energy leave the earth to meet and in our case to draw the larger charge . The minor charge is the individual reaching out for God.
He chose to respond or not.
Regards
DL

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