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Author Topic:   Where is the Good Non American Music???
Hyroglyphx
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Message 76 of 172 (381003)
01-29-2007 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by RickJB
01-29-2007 2:42 PM


Onward Christian soldiers
quote:
Strapping Young Lad
Cool band!
What's a nice christian like you doing listening to music like this?
Heh... I'm not a huge fan, but I enjoy this genre. I've been following the drummer, Gene "the machine" Hoglan since he was in Death. I kind of wish he stayed with them, but oh well.
Before I was a Christian I listened to this music, and then some, and still do to some degree based on the content. My old band used to play shows all throughout Florida in the metal/hardcore circuit until it dissolved in '99.
But since my conversion, I've filtered a lot of that music and phased it out of my life. For instance, I grew up on Slayer. And though I still like most of their music (albeit the newest album was a complete disappointment), its so anti-christ that I just can't stomach it. Its not even that I feel some sort of duty to not listen to it, some it just sickens me to the core.
But I still listen to metal and hardcore.
Ever listened to Meshuggah? Incredibly talented band - very heavy with superb drumming.
Yes, I have listened to them. They are , technical, original and I think they're very talented, but for some reason I can't really get into it that much.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 77 of 172 (381035)
01-29-2007 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Hyroglyphx
01-29-2007 2:31 PM


14. Children of Bodom (Finland)
In my car's cd player right now, Are You Dead Yet.
Good album, I love the guitar and keyboard solo battles.
quote:
If you want peace, prepare for war!
  —song #3

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ringo
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Message 78 of 172 (381043)
01-29-2007 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
01-29-2007 3:39 PM


Re: Onward Christian soldiers
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Its not even that I feel some sort of duty to not listen to it, some it just sickens me to the core.
Self-diagnosis is a bad idea. Music isn't usually the cause of core-sickness.
quote:
Music hath charms to soothe a savage breast,
To soften rocks, or bend a knotted oak.
-- William Congreve

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RickJB
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Message 79 of 172 (381056)
01-29-2007 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
01-29-2007 3:39 PM


Re: Onward Christian soldiers
NJ writes:
For instance, I grew up on Slayer. And though I still like most of their music (albeit the newest album was a complete disappointment), its so anti-christ that I just can't stomach it. Its not even that I feel some sort of duty to not listen to it, some it just sickens me to the core.
Well I have no religious reservations, but I do find their music and "God is evil" message very tired and repetitive.
NJ writes:
Yes, I have listened to them. They are , technical, original and I think they're very talented, but for some reason I can't really get into it that much.
Heh, not many can. The self consciously abstract lyrics and some of the screaming vocals are a weak point, but the driving, polymetric nature of their music inspires me (I'm a bassist and drummer). It's like Kraftwerk on a rampage!
I'm not a metalhead, but I am a bit of a muso. I have long been in the habit of picking up on the most extreme examples of any given genre.

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Legend
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Message 80 of 172 (381075)
01-29-2007 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by joshua221
01-27-2007 12:00 AM


Re: OK
quote:
NAME ONE BAND THAT HAS INNOVATED MUSIC FROM OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and YOU DESERVE A PRIZE!!!!!!!!
Kraftwerk.
Where's my prize ?

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."

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Jaderis
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Message 81 of 172 (381082)
01-29-2007 6:39 PM


New Wave/Goth/{post}Punk/Synth/Other
You may not like this type of music as a matter of taste, but it is hard to deny the "originality" and "innovativeness" of bands such as:
Joy Division/New Order - UK
The Cure - UK
Depeche Mode - UK
KMFDM - Germany
Elvis Costello - UK
The Polics - UK
The Clash - UK
Gang of Four - UK
Echo and the Bunnymen - UK
Kraftwerk - Germany
Bjork - Iceland
The Sex Pistols - UK
Siouxsie and the Banshees - UK
Roxy Music - UK
Wolfsheim - Germany
The Smiths/Morrissey - UK
Eurythmics - UK
Tears for Fears - UK
Oh and let us not forget freakin' DAVID BOWIE!
You also cannot deny that Punk was born in the UK as well as New Wave and synthpop.
More recently we have some post-punk revivalists (which have largely built on the music of the above bands, so their "originality" might be in question) such as:
Franz Ferdinand - UK
Bloc Party - UK
Kaiser Chiefs - UK
Metric - Canada
The Organ - Canada
I've only listed the most recognizable names in the genres. There are many many other "Good non-American bands" in these genres.
But again it is a matter of taste and therefore a pretty silly topic.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 82 of 172 (381085)
01-29-2007 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Hyroglyphx
01-29-2007 2:31 PM


Thanks, about half of those I need to check out. I agree, prophex is holed up and lacking in exposure.
Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 83 of 172 (381106)
01-29-2007 8:28 PM
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01-29-2007 6:39 PM


Re: The birth of Punk
You also cannot deny that Punk was born in the UK
MC5 in 1964 from Detroit, the fugs from NYC in 1965 gave birth to punk
Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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joshua221 
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Message 84 of 172 (381108)
01-29-2007 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Hyroglyphx
01-28-2007 5:19 PM


Excuse me? First of all, your taste in music is a matter of opinion.
Ever hear of Aesthetics?
It's a branch of philosophy that stands by the claim that beauty is actually OBJECTIVE.
I'm gonna have to seriously disagree. The Beach Boys didn't even write their own music, and what was written wasn't very good, IMO.
Lie O'reilly.

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joshua221 
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Message 85 of 172 (381110)
01-29-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by kuresu
01-28-2007 7:28 PM


Re: Prophex!
Yeah, I listened to the clips...
Wasn't impressed with Rush's lyrics. The music was that of cliche classic rock played on radio stations 24/7.
Pink Floyd remains OK. Still have to check out Barrett.
YES didn't make any good sounds.
I don't know man, Not to diss your music or anything, I just thought it was all OK, decent.
The guys I have mentioned don't let you come back to the music you used to listen to...
Led Zeppelin are complex sure, you've proved that, but is the sound aesthetically pleasing to the ear? Or do you like them because paige cane rip up and down that piece of wood?? Ask yourself do you listen to them because they are cool, or technically brilliant? Or is it the sound that draws you in?
Usually they coincide with eachother by the way. It gets messy when you hear a band like Slayer or Yngwie Malmsteen.... Or Paul Gilbert, or Steve Vai or Satriana etc...........
All of these bands can be lumped into one mediocre pile. Children of Bodom was mentioned, slayer.. Gee wiz. Metallica and on and on and on.
PS: Just realized that you were referring to the structure of Black Dog, me and my friend used to play that all the time.
It was really hard for me to learn as well, I was very happy when I finally got it.
Listening back to it though, I never really liked the sound. So harsh and just crap. Fake blues man.
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 86 of 172 (381112)
01-29-2007 9:04 PM
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01-29-2007 8:50 PM


prophex- Got that video of you yet?

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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joshua221 
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Message 87 of 172 (381114)
01-29-2007 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by nator
01-29-2007 9:01 AM


Re: just wondering
One thing I am curious about, prophex...
Just what do you mean when you call The Beatles "average joes"?
I know like ten people are going to try to rebut what I am about to write, but I don't care.
The Beatles were just ordinary people without "agendas". They were into having fun and writing songs about nothing. They loved music and melody. They lived life for fun and were not in any sense "true artists".
Watch an interview with the Beatles and you see it right away.
Average Joes is the best term I can use to describe them, they were not in any way remarkable. The played good music, but they had nothing in it for anyone. No agendas you know?
They were cool I guess.

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joshua221 
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Message 88 of 172 (381115)
01-29-2007 9:18 PM
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01-29-2007 9:04 PM


Don't worry, I'll be all over the net soon.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 89 of 172 (381116)
01-29-2007 9:21 PM
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01-29-2007 9:18 PM


When. Seems like your just a poser, most up and coming groups already have videos of their performances. why don't you?

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joshua221 
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Message 90 of 172 (381117)
01-29-2007 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Jaderis
01-29-2007 6:39 PM


Re: New Wave/Goth/{post}Punk/Synth/Other
But again it is a matter of taste and therefore a pretty silly topic.
We could all listen to every single group or person mentioned in this thread and come to a real and objective concensus I believe. But this topic is silly because I have already stated from the get-go that humans are humans. We all can make beautiful sounds.
I could debate at length the validity of the bands you have mentioned but at this point it would not be worthwhile.

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