Where is the Good Non American Music???

dude, I didn't give a link with any Rush.what really draws me to zep is the bass. before zep, just how many bands had a bassist that could "rip it up"? besides, the band has a great sound. you condemnd them for being fake blues. that's a good thing, cause they weren't even trying to be a pure blues band. one good listen to their third album will tell you they are anything but pure blues.I find it funny that you ask for ogirginators and innovators, and then call all the ones we bring out as crap--when quality wasn't exactly what you were looking for.(oh, and these guys you dismiss tend to write decent music. my personal bet is that you don't like those that can play faster than you (Al di Meola, being one), and thus, prefer the less technically advanced music)And I prefer my musicians to just be drug-addled, not mentally unstable and suicidal.

so what you're actually asking us is to give you a non-american band that has an agenda.Did Beethoven have an agenda?
Did Raphael have an agenda?
Did Mozart have an agenda?
Did Leonarda da Vinci have an agenda?
Did Sousa have an agenda?
Do you have an agenda?
Art requires no agenda. Masterpieces don't require agendas.

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Wasn't impressed with Rush's lyrics. The music was that of cliche classic rock played on radio stations 24/7.

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How is this a criticism?The reason every classic rock station plays Rush is because they are classic rock.I can pick out a Rush song instantly, because no other band in the world sounds like them.

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The music was that of cliche classic rock played on radio stations 24/7.

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Wrong, the music is that of cliche classic rock played IN 24/7 .

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The Beatles were just ordinary people without "agendas". They were into having fun and writing songs about nothing. They loved music and melody. They lived life for fun and were not in any sense "true artists".

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Watch an interview with the Beatles and you see it right away.

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Average Joes is the best term I can use to describe them, they were not in any way remarkable. The played good music, but they had nothing in it for anyone. No agendas you know?

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I knew it!I strongly suspected that you were totally into the idea of the "tortured soul" genre of musician, and that the more fucked up and 'pained' a musician is, the more cool you would think they are.Why is having an agenda other than making good music important for a musician?Why is it impossible to be a "true artist" if you also "live life for fun"?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

Leaving aside that some of the best artists in any medium were the ones who were just messing around and having a good time... in what universe did John Lennon not have an agenda?

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Because intelligent human beings don't "live for fun", people who change the world don't "live for fun". Those who live fruitful lives are tortured in pursuit of truth, knowledge..."An unexamined life is not worth living" -PlatoLife isn't about fun, those guys were average joes.This is the difference between Elliott Smith and The Beatles and Johnston and The Beatles. This separates Soren Kierkegaard from the rest of them...The sooner you realize what is the most worthwhile way to live, you will understand what is so special about Kierkegaard and Plato. Elliot Smith and Johnston.

Evidence? Examples? John Lennon wasn't anything.Edited by prophex, : No reason given.Edited by prophex, : No reason given.Edited by prophex, : No reason given.Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

"Man had always assumed he was more intelligent than dolphins because he achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars, and so on - while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons."
-Douglas Adams Unless the change they want to make is to get people to appreciate a life lived for love, brotherhood, and fun.Sorta like John Lennon.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Well, that was an interesting discussion. Be sure to let us know if the intense amount of thought you've put into the subject leads you to believe that something "totally, like, blows."

haha I tried to edit it before you replied.

and just who exactly was the creative force behind the Beatles?Lennon and McCartney.seriously, prophex, you need help. music isn't about being tortured. music is about fun. music is about enjoying yourself. sometimes, it's about spreading a message.which is better? The Who, a band whose message was politically driven, or Led Zeppelin, whose message was fun?I'll take zeppelin anyday over the who. i get enough political discourse in the rest of my day, I don't need it in my music.relax, enjoy life a little bit. as they say, "let your hair hang down".

Ah... let's see. Off the top of my head, anyone who's ever written a fantastic comedy? Which would include anyone from early Woody Allen to William Shakespeare. Gotta tell ya, this isn't wildly different, in terms of content, from the original post.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Oh, I don't know about that. I know Prophex wants to avoid classical music, but you'd be hard pressed to say Mozart wasn't tortured in his later days. (Or, for modern music, that Kurt Cobain, or Trent Reznor, or fill-in-the-miserable-bastard wasn't the same.)I think the lesson of the day is, "music (read: art) isn't for anything." It makes absolutely no demands on the mindset of the artist, only on what the art does to the mindset of the audience.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

See, I would have said just the opposite. I never got a "political message" from The Who (though there might be one that I missed) and I always thought Led Zeppelin was pretentious (though not nearly as pretentious as prophex).No accounting for taste, eh?

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