Lying For Jesus Award

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He who is without sin shold throw the first stone.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."Edmund Burke
Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)

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That and maybe money, and a television network.

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Are you telling me that no religious leaders can write a press release? None of them can contact radio and television stations and newspapers to voice their opinion?None of them?

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All I can say is that it must be nice to have no atheist denominations to take the blame and the responsibility when one of you goes awry.

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If an atheist got on television and started spouting hate in the name of all atheists, you are damn right I would stand up and voice my opinion.

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Oh, and no God to catch up to you when the humans fail.

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I don't even know why the above is relevant to this conversation.I guess, though, that you can't give any reason at all for why Christian leaders do not stand up and publicly reject Falwell and his ilk.I guess you all must be OK with what each and every one of those con men promote.

The point is, buz, most mainstream Christians quite rightly think Falwell is a first class, power-hungry nutjob, yet they don't seem to be standing up to oppose him when he is the religious leader invited to appear on CNN to provide the "Christian" viewpoint.

Picking and choosing what is literal now, are we?I believe the story happened, but more importantly, it was written and published for thousands of years for us to learn a lesson from.Jesus came to save, not to judge. I am not going to go to capitol hill and start a march against other people, when I myself cannot get it right. All I can do is love them, and try to come to an understanding with people who think like that.Everyone keeps talking to me, like I do not do my part, but believe me, I am that guy in my church who ruins the party all the time. fortunately it happens almost next to never in my church, because people are educated. Many of the ideas that we talk about in this forum come up in leadership meetings in my church as we look for a way to be relavent in the 21st century. Including the one you presented about giving to other organizations without taking any credit at all. And it wasn't even me that thought of it. Maybe He meant do not condemn. I never said it was wrong to rebuke them, I do it all the time. That one, I do not know about. I usually forgive people instantly, but I may not trust them until the repent.

So then you agree with me.In Acts 11:26 it says "The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch."Like I said before, I prefer to call myself a disciple. It was others who gave them the name Christians.Acts 26:28Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"29Paul replied, "Short time or long”I pray God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains."What was Paul? He was a disciple.Only 1 Peter 4:16 supports your statement.But words change meaning over time. My other point is also not to call myself a Christian. If people want to call me that, that is fine, I only want to be called that if I earn it.Clearly there is a problem when others are calling themselves Christian, and not acting like a Christian.

Well, of course. An intelligent reading of any text involves deciding what is literal and what is not. Then you agree that Christians should speak out against Falwell, Robertson and all the other Gangsters for Christ. Good. Let's see you do more of that around here. Allow me to repeat:

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Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

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Did you notice the "if" this time?You're not supposed to "forgive" Benny Hinn for conning little old ladies and then watch him keep doing it.

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Ahh, a nice classic coulterism.She is wearing on you, nator.Love the avatar, btw.

You're easy.

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I troll you to point out how ridiculous some of your logical inductions are. And you post your logical inductions to point out how you think that others peoples posts are ridiculous. So, in a sense, I'm no more of a troll that you are.

I think a pay-per-view boxing match between Ann Coulter and Jane Fonda would be bring in a tidy sum. I'd pay to watch it.”Hoot Mon

i got 20 on fonda. she'd break coulter in two.

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Ok, fine, you asked for it. Remember the Pater Noster? Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?Do you seriously think any good Catholic trusts in men, and their justice? Do you think we believe speaking out against men solves spiritual problems? Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

What part of "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him" do you not understand?

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Oh, sorry, have you got Falwell's phone number. Let the rebuking begin! Oh, wait, I have been connected straight to God.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

Falwell trespasses publicly, so the rebuke should be public too, not private by phone. You can start by rebuking him here and by rebuking what he stands for instead of defending Christians who turn a blind eye.

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