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Vacate
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Message 1 of 134 (381214)
01-30-2007 8:51 AM


A group of atheists target children and young adults to deny the holy spirit on video. BlasphemyChallenge.com is for sale | HugeDomains The instructions are to upload the video to youtube and must contain the words "I deny the Holy Spirit".
Not surprisingly it has caused some negative feedback.
NBC covers the challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw0q-WhBsEo
Unbiased Fox News
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bcbTJgeJrw0
Some of the most notable quotes lifted from the unbiased news coverage seen on Fox are these -
Brian I think you are preying on young people.
Is there a reason you just pick on Christians, is it because they are an easy target?
I think you are manipulating these kids.
This thing made me sick
Fox Parody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVRbMfh52Ts&NR
What divides atheist manipulation of children from Christian manipulation? Why does religion and/or Christianity reserve the right to teach children a particular viewpoint and criticize such actions by atheists? I personally do not see what is so wrong about what the Blasphemy Challenge is doing, though I think it is a crude method to bring the message across.
Is this type of reaction limited only to Fox News, or is this viewpoint shared by a much larger public? Who is right?
Edited by Vacate, : Some clarity about the challenge itself.

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Message 2 of 134 (381224)
01-30-2007 9:30 AM


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jar
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Message 3 of 134 (381239)
01-30-2007 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Vacate
01-30-2007 8:51 AM


I don't see anything wrong with it.
I do think it is pretty silly and would have no possible effect on the peoples chances for salvation.
For me the really sad part about it is that the people that created the Challenge as well as those who are getting upset about it are just playing the old Quotemine Game. They pull a line out of context and each side uses it to propagandize and manipulate kids.
It is a Cult of Ignorance on both sides.
The Ring.
He clipped the coupon from the box
and carefully filled it out.
He enclosed 25
put on a 3 stamp,
walked to the corner
and placed the envelope in the mailbox.
He was a good little boy
and wait patiently
day
after day
for the Mailman to bring
the Captain Midnight
Glow in the Dark
Secret Decoder Ring.
Days passed.
Weeks passed.
Yet each day
the Mailman did not bring
the Captain Midnight
Glow in the Dark
Secret Decoder Ring.
He was a good little boy,
but he became angrier and angrier
until one day,
unbidden,
he shouted
"There is no God!"
Then he was afraid,
and ran and hid beneath his bed
in fear that God
would come during the night
and strike him dead.
But the Ring came,
and it glowed
green
in the dark.
Edited by jar, : Add a Poem from back in my St. Paul's Days.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Doddy
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Message 4 of 134 (381354)
01-30-2007 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Vacate
01-30-2007 8:51 AM


Don't forget to mention you get a free DVD.

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anastasia
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Message 5 of 134 (381371)
01-30-2007 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Vacate
01-30-2007 8:51 AM


I deny that these people have even the foggiest notion whatsoever of the meaning of denial of the Holy Spirit. Ask them if they believe cheating behind their friend's back is right, and they will sing a different tune.
It has nothing to do with atheism, except in that atheists might be ignorant of Biblical language.
Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

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Message 6 of 134 (381401)
01-30-2007 8:47 PM
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01-30-2007 7:13 PM


anastasia writes:
It has nothing to do with atheism, except in that atheists might be ignorant of Biblical language.
Most Christians are ignorant Of Biblical language too.
They just memorize their Five Easy Pieces of doctrine.
Which is worse: to "blaspheme" what you don't believe or to not bother learning about what you do "believe"?

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anastasia
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Message 7 of 134 (381417)
01-30-2007 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by ringo
01-30-2007 8:47 PM


Don't know Ringo. If you don't believe in something, you can hardly blaspheme against it.
I would say we all know about our beliefs, we just don't know about anyone else's.
But yes, I am aware that many people, atheist and christian alike, are not thinking in spiritual terms when they contemplate the words of the Bible.
OP writes:
What divides atheist manipulation of children from Christian manipulation? Why does religion and/or Christianity reserve the right to teach children a particular viewpoint and criticize such actions by atheists? I personally do not see what is so wrong about what the Blasphemy Challenge is doing, though I think it is a crude method to bring the message across.
See, I don't know why atheism is even mentioned. wWhat does the 'message' that is being taught amount to? It is about as pointless a 'message' as an anti-Shiva protest by Muslims.
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Vacate
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Message 8 of 134 (381422)
01-30-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by anastasia
01-30-2007 9:46 PM


See, I don't know why atheism is even mentioned.
I mentioned atheism because the vast majority of the people who have responded to the challenge make the claim to be atheists. (Some claim to be agnostics). The 'message' amounts to little, as anyone who knows the word atheist likely knows what it means.
Though I agree that one can hardly commit blasphemy if you don't believe in what you are denying. How does this merit the response by the fox commentator that "This thing made me sick". As you said, its about as pointless as an anti-Shiva protest by Muslims.
( Doddy Curumehtar - Does the free DvD show manipulation on the part of the challenge? Though I didn't mention the DvD, I will clarify by saying that is what I considered to be the crude method )

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anastasia
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Message 9 of 134 (381430)
01-30-2007 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Vacate
01-30-2007 10:19 PM


Vacate writes:
Though I agree that one can hardly commit blasphemy if you don't believe in what you are denying. How does this merit the response by the fox commentator that "This thing made me sick".
I am thinking two things;
One, it is an out-right mockery of the sacred beliefs of others, when dis-belief could be preached on its own 'merits'.
Two, several of the participants are much too young to even understand what they are blaspheming against, or whether they will ever regret it in the future.
And well, even if I wasn't Christian, I can't imagine feeling the need to blaspheme an Entity Who is described as 'The Comfortor'.

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Message 10 of 134 (381432)
01-30-2007 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by anastasia
01-30-2007 10:43 PM


quote:
One, it is an out-right mockery of the sacred beliefs of others, when dis-belief could be preached on its own 'merits'.
How is it mockery?
quote:
Two, several of the participants are much too young to even understand what they are blaspheming against, or whether they will ever regret it in the future.
So, how is this any different from indoctinating very young children into any given religious belief when they are far too young to understand what they are being taught to believe, or before they have the cognitive capability to truly examine those beliefs and freely choose them, or even if they will regret the time wasted in irrational belief in the future?

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Larni
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Message 11 of 134 (381461)
01-31-2007 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Vacate
01-30-2007 8:51 AM


Fantastic!.
I wonder what effect it will have on the recruitment methods used by xians?
Will they become more outlandish in their claims about salvation and all that rot?
I am quite tickled to see the shoes on the other hand vis a vis targetting children
Maybe this will bring some much need illumination to the methods of evangelical indoctorination.
I did not like the implication that this movement is a cult of personality i.e. Dicky Dawkins (all praise him, lol).
Why is Youtube so damn quiet?
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Larni
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Message 12 of 134 (381463)
01-31-2007 7:20 AM
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01-30-2007 10:43 PM


Ana writes:
Two, several of the participants are much too young to even understand what they are blaspheming against, or whether they will ever regret it in the future.
Did you see the little girl banging on about God having a plan for the young woman? She was so young too.
She was much too young to understand.
The point is that xians have been preying on kids for years.
Turn about is fair play.

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Larni
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Message 13 of 134 (381464)
01-31-2007 7:26 AM
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01-30-2007 10:43 PM


Ana writes:
I can't imagine feeling the need to blaspheme an Entity Who is described as 'The Comfortor'.
Have you forgotten the Crusades or the Heresies or the Inquisitions or Witch hunts or threatening to close adoption agencies?
Comforter?
If actual history is anything to go on; not even close.

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DorfMan
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Message 14 of 134 (381496)
01-31-2007 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by anastasia
01-30-2007 7:13 PM


quote:
I deny that these people have even the foggiest notion whatsoever of the meaning of denial of the Holy Spirit
Denying the Holy Spirit, the sin against the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin.
Why not say deny God or Jesus? Because they know denying the Holy Spirit is more effective. Has more exquisite consequences. I'd say they know exactly what they are doing.

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DorfMan
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Message 15 of 134 (381498)
01-31-2007 10:51 AM
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01-31-2007 7:20 AM


quote:
The point is that xians have been preying on kids for years
Describe to me your idea of what a 'Christian' is. A Christian predator.
Turn about is fair play belongs in the schoolyard.

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