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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
A group of atheists target children and young adults to deny the holy spirit on video. BlasphemyChallenge.com is for sale | HugeDomains The instructions are to upload the video to youtube and must contain the words "I deny the Holy Spirit".
Not surprisingly it has caused some negative feedback. NBC covers the challengehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw0q-WhBsEo Unbiased Fox Newshttp://youtube.com/watch?v=bcbTJgeJrw0 Some of the most notable quotes lifted from the unbiased news coverage seen on Fox are these -Brian I think you are preying on young people. Is there a reason you just pick on Christians, is it because they are an easy target? I think you are manipulating these kids. This thing made me sick Fox Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVRbMfh52Ts&NR What divides atheist manipulation of children from Christian manipulation? Why does religion and/or Christianity reserve the right to teach children a particular viewpoint and criticize such actions by atheists? I personally do not see what is so wrong about what the Blasphemy Challenge is doing, though I think it is a crude method to bring the message across. Is this type of reaction limited only to Fox News, or is this viewpoint shared by a much larger public? Who is right? Edited by Vacate, : Some clarity about the challenge itself.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I do think it is pretty silly and would have no possible effect on the peoples chances for salvation.
For me the really sad part about it is that the people that created the Challenge as well as those who are getting upset about it are just playing the old Quotemine Game. They pull a line out of context and each side uses it to propagandize and manipulate kids. It is a Cult of Ignorance on both sides. The Ring. He clipped the coupon from the boxand carefully filled it out. He enclosed 25 put on a 3 stamp, walked to the corner and placed the envelope in the mailbox. He was a good little boyand wait patiently day after day for the Mailman to bring the Captain Midnight Glow in the Dark Secret Decoder Ring. Days passed.Weeks passed. Yet each day the Mailman did not bring the Captain Midnight Glow in the Dark Secret Decoder Ring. He was a good little boy,but he became angrier and angrier until one day, unbidden, he shouted "There is no God!" Then he was afraid,and ran and hid beneath his bed in fear that God would come during the night and strike him dead. But the Ring came,and it glowed green in the dark. Edited by jar, : Add a Poem from back in my St. Paul's Days. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5909 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
Don't forget to mention you get a free DVD.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5952 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
I deny that these people have even the foggiest notion whatsoever of the meaning of denial of the Holy Spirit. Ask them if they believe cheating behind their friend's back is right, and they will sing a different tune.
It has nothing to do with atheism, except in that atheists might be ignorant of Biblical language. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: It has nothing to do with atheism, except in that atheists might be ignorant of Biblical language. Most Christians are ignorant Of Biblical language too.They just memorize their Five Easy Pieces of doctrine. Which is worse: to "blaspheme" what you don't believe or to not bother learning about what you do "believe"? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5952 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Don't know Ringo. If you don't believe in something, you can hardly blaspheme against it.
I would say we all know about our beliefs, we just don't know about anyone else's. But yes, I am aware that many people, atheist and christian alike, are not thinking in spiritual terms when they contemplate the words of the Bible.
OP writes: What divides atheist manipulation of children from Christian manipulation? Why does religion and/or Christianity reserve the right to teach children a particular viewpoint and criticize such actions by atheists? I personally do not see what is so wrong about what the Blasphemy Challenge is doing, though I think it is a crude method to bring the message across. See, I don't know why atheism is even mentioned. wWhat does the 'message' that is being taught amount to? It is about as pointless a 'message' as an anti-Shiva protest by Muslims. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
See, I don't know why atheism is even mentioned. I mentioned atheism because the vast majority of the people who have responded to the challenge make the claim to be atheists. (Some claim to be agnostics). The 'message' amounts to little, as anyone who knows the word atheist likely knows what it means. Though I agree that one can hardly commit blasphemy if you don't believe in what you are denying. How does this merit the response by the fox commentator that "This thing made me sick". As you said, its about as pointless as an anti-Shiva protest by Muslims. ( Doddy Curumehtar - Does the free DvD show manipulation on the part of the challenge? Though I didn't mention the DvD, I will clarify by saying that is what I considered to be the crude method )
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5952 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Vacate writes: Though I agree that one can hardly commit blasphemy if you don't believe in what you are denying. How does this merit the response by the fox commentator that "This thing made me sick". I am thinking two things; One, it is an out-right mockery of the sacred beliefs of others, when dis-belief could be preached on its own 'merits'. Two, several of the participants are much too young to even understand what they are blaspheming against, or whether they will ever regret it in the future. And well, even if I wasn't Christian, I can't imagine feeling the need to blaspheme an Entity Who is described as 'The Comfortor'.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: How is it mockery?
quote: So, how is this any different from indoctinating very young children into any given religious belief when they are far too young to understand what they are being taught to believe, or before they have the cognitive capability to truly examine those beliefs and freely choose them, or even if they will regret the time wasted in irrational belief in the future?
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Larni Member (Idle past 163 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Fantastic!.
I wonder what effect it will have on the recruitment methods used by xians? Will they become more outlandish in their claims about salvation and all that rot? I am quite tickled to see the shoes on the other hand vis a vis targetting children Maybe this will bring some much need illumination to the methods of evangelical indoctorination. I did not like the implication that this movement is a cult of personality i.e. Dicky Dawkins (all praise him, lol). Why is Youtube so damn quiet? Edited by Larni, : No reason given. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
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Larni Member (Idle past 163 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Ana writes: Two, several of the participants are much too young to even understand what they are blaspheming against, or whether they will ever regret it in the future. Did you see the little girl banging on about God having a plan for the young woman? She was so young too. She was much too young to understand. The point is that xians have been preying on kids for years. Turn about is fair play.
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Larni Member (Idle past 163 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Ana writes: I can't imagine feeling the need to blaspheme an Entity Who is described as 'The Comfortor'. Have you forgotten the Crusades or the Heresies or the Inquisitions or Witch hunts or threatening to close adoption agencies? Comforter? If actual history is anything to go on; not even close.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Denying the Holy Spirit, the sin against the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. Why not say deny God or Jesus? Because they know denying the Holy Spirit is more effective. Has more exquisite consequences. I'd say they know exactly what they are doing.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Describe to me your idea of what a 'Christian' is. A Christian predator. Turn about is fair play belongs in the schoolyard.
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