Lying For Jesus Award

Because when I do, you just breeze over it, because it doesn't rub you the wrong way. People are generally only remembered for the bad things they do. Your absolutely right.
I am forwarding your whoel reply to my Pastor.

Fundamentalists of any stripe are a threat. I never said ignore the Muslim extremists but quite frankly, they are no where near as big a threat as the Christian Cult of Ignorance. So we shouldn't make the effort? How pathetic!

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You chastise us for rendering judgement on Falwell, yet you give Falwell a free pass for his expressions of hate and intolerance, for example his connection of 9/11 with secularists, gays, etc.? Why do you wish to yield Falwell the right to sit in judgement of others and not hold him to the Biblical prescription to "judge not that ye be not judged." You're sanctioning the behavior of people who place themselves above the Bible simply because they claim to be speaking for the Lord.It isn't just Falwell. You're already on record as defending Hovind for tax evasion. Do you also defend Oral Roberts, his most extravagant misbehavior occurring when he declared that God would "call him home" if he didn't raise $8 million dollars? Do you also defend Jimmy Swaggert and his hypocrisy in preaching morality from the pulpit while trolling for prostitutes from his limo. Do you also defend Jim Bakker for defrauding his parishioners by selling over 100% shares in his Christian vacation resort? Do you also defend the shameless "faith healing for money" of Leroy Jenkins and Benny Hinn? Do you also defend the "pray for wealth" scam of Robert Tilton?I ask why fundamentalists give a free pass to misbehaving fundamentalists, and you respond with a plea for giving a free pass to fundamentalists. Buz, do you recognize the irony of offering rebuttals that are actually examples of the very behavior you're trying to rebut?--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

LOL, no. That just means that the Catholic church will show uniformity of doctrine in wherever it is established.

It is a common belief in Christianity that God will chastise the earth with war, violence, and calamity, in response to the sins of men. Falwell forgets that sin is in the heart and in the intentions, and that not one of us can be blamed more than another, nor profess to see the 'sin' of another.

What’s a “cult”? What is “bigotry”? What is “ignorance”? What is “politically correct”? Whose opinion counts the most in a capitalistic democracy? In America, I see at least seven master cults, each with its own centralizing forces, opinions, or otherwise “attractors”:1. The Cults of Bicamerality”religions mostly, the attractors are the laws of God.2. The Cults of Consciousness”science mostly, the attractors are the laws of nature.3. The Cults of Wealth”money mostly, the attractors are the laws of economics.4. The Cults of Power”politics mostly, the attractors are the laws of political persuasion.5. The Cults of Pleasure”hedonism mostly, the attractors are the sensory stimulants (including heterosexual ones).6. The Cults of Homosexuality”gays mostly, the attractors are same-sex contact and commiseration.7. The Cult of Mediocrity”everybody else mostly, the attractors are the popular social norms of the times.You can belong to more than one cult, several if you wish. You can call members of other cults “bigots” if you choose to. And you can probably think of additional cults: poverty, NASCAR, dog owners, medical professionals, Jewish Mah Jung aficionados . My favorite cult is the Cult of Literacy”readers and writers mostly, the attractor is making sense and nonsense out of all the other cultsWhat’s the point here? Jerry Falwell and his Jesus Cult is not the only cult to be worried about. Cults usually are more arbitrary and capricious than they are sound and reliable; even the Cult of Science has its own screwball history. Once we believed in humors, ethers, and phlogiston. Now, we (some of us) believe in global warming, cold fusion, and tiny black holes.”Hoot Mon

Ignorance may be combatted with knowledge. Hatred sounds just as ugly on the lips of those who would be 'educated' as it does on those who would be Christian.

Who promised you an easy ride?

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Who is speaking about opinions?Jerry Falwell is Willfully Ignorant and a liar. Those are not opinions, they are facts.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I think you may have put your finger on something there. There was never a shadow of a doubt in my mind that once the fundamentalists get rid of all us outsiders, they'll turn on each other like ravening dogs. Unfortunately, the likes of me won't be around to witness it...

You might be right but I fear that their first target will be folk like myself.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'll save you a spot next to me when we go up against the wall...

If you go back I asked that you apprise us as to what lies Falwell was telling. I'm still waiting for the specifics on that. I'm not aware of hatefulness from him. As for intolerance, he threatens no one that I know of for their views or lifestyles. He, like the rest of us, work to get legislation passed for whatever we may be advocating. He preaches the Biblical principles regarding sex et al. Is that bad for a Biblical preacher?9/ll/secularists/gays? I'm not aware of that. What's up there?As I said you still have failed to identify the specific lies. As to the rest, until you specify what hate and unwaranted intolerance, I reserve judgement. 1. If you specify where he's placing himself above the Bible, I'd like to address that.2. Teaching and preaching Biblical principles is what preachers are suppose to do. If you see that as judging where do yo draw the line between judging and admonishing/teaching? If you go back and read me, you'll see that I was reserving judgement until it is established that he was indeed breaking the law since many have gotten by for decades using loopholes etc. I remained neutral as to judgement until the verdict was out. It appears that he ran out of loopholes and deserves some punishment. I'm not sure about 10 years without parole, if that's what he got. That seems quite harsh. You likely either forgot or missed it. I've gone on record as veheminently condemning this outrageous and egregious conduct. I've never lent any support to this con artist. Of course not. You sure do have a low estimate of the ole man, my friend. It's a bit disheartening to see that I've given you that low estimation of my moral standards. I would have assumed you would know the answers to such questions from positions I've taken at EvC on morality and such. God has healed me by anointing by local church elders as per James 5:14 but have always taken the position that the methodology of these kind of faith healers is not Biblical. No, I don't defend them. So far as asking money for legitimate air time, it depends on how it is used and whether the work is honoring to God and his word. That's certainly not a lie, Percy but it's very false in that you paint me as allowing free pass across the board to fundies, including the bad guys. Now, you're turning on me in judgement. I certainly hope in the judgement, God will allow you more leeway than you're willing to allow Biblical fundies. You and your friends here act as though a few bad guys are representative of the millions of Biblical fundies including myself who love God and honor his word.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

This may not be a comforting thought, but if history is any guide, including the history of this forum, you are very likely to be correct in this observation.What fundamentalists consider 'heretics' seem to always be considered a greater threat than any external religion. Look at all those witchburnings and the Catholic vs Protestant warfare that took place while the Ottomans besieged Vienna.I guess people like myself who adhere to the numerically smaller 'outsider' beliefs will be second. Larger competing religions will be third, then Athiests, Catholics, other Protestants, then finally each other.

Children, children, the boogy man doesn't live under your beds any more. You'd think all the Christian ignoramuses have AIDS or somethings, and all they got is one old dead Jesus. If it's the "ravening dogs" of Christian evangelism you fear most, I'd say your priorities are messed up. I fear that poverty and crime will bite our fat American ass much more severely than the evangelicals. And when I think about who is really out to get me on a daily basis, I think of today's teenagers on meth, driving around fast and loose in their zipmobiles, while talking on their cell phones and smoking cigarettes. Pimple farmers!”Hoot MonEdited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.