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Author Topic:   Lying For Jesus Award
jar
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Message 104 of 279 (381065)
01-29-2007 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by riVeRraT
01-29-2007 5:17 PM


He who is without sin shold throw the first stone?
Yet another just plain copout.
Come on.
The majority of the Televangelists are just plain Crooks.
A very large percentage of Christian Clergy are simply ignorant, ignorant of Science, Theology and Christianity.
We need to be speaking out and condemning EVER pastor that preaches Young Earth or ID, that opposes teaching Evolution.
We need to be speaking out against the Jack Chicks, the Gene Scotts, the Pat Robertsons, the Jerry Falwells and all the End Timers.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 108 of 279 (381077)
01-29-2007 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by anastasia
01-29-2007 6:06 PM


Re: He who is without sin shold throw the first stone?
It has absolutely nothing to do with sin or the law (although I hope the Law will jump on many of them).
Being ignorant of Science, Theology or Christianity is neither criminal nor sinful.
Correct!
But it is just plain IGNORANT and ignorance can be cured.
What is even worse is that the Christian Churches today seem to be trying to increase ignorance instead of curing it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 113 of 279 (381097)
01-29-2007 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by anastasia
01-29-2007 7:08 PM


Re: Who represents who?
Say What?
You do know that is not Trinity Baptist Church (actually the one in Lubbock) speaking but rather E. L. Bynum?

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jar
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Message 143 of 279 (381649)
02-01-2007 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by riVeRraT
02-01-2007 1:41 PM


Re: Who represents who?
Tell me, should I also be speaking out against other religions as well?
Clean house within Christianity first.
Once we educate all the pastors and clergy, expose all the conmen Televangelists and other crooks, then perhaps it is worth looking outside.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 154 of 279 (381728)
02-01-2007 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Buzsaw
02-01-2007 8:01 PM


Re: Falwell Lies For Jesus?
Well Falwell is a LIAR. Big time liar.
The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.
-- Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength
Dan Moldea, the lead investigator for Larry Flynt's ongoing quest to uncover sexual indiscretions of Republican congressional members, has now admitted he was hired by the law firm defending President Clinton.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, from "The Bizarre Flynt-Clinton Connection," in the January 15, 1999, "Falwell Confidential" fax report to 162,000 members, referring to the firm Williams & Connolly. Dan Moldea responded, "This entire statement is false and misleading, reckless and malicious. It is a complete fabrication." However, the San Diego Union-Tribune picked up the fabrication and ran it as fact. Quoted from The Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of Jerry Falwell."
It is also obvious that he is supremely ignorant and actually willfully ignorant.
The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976
We need to speak out against the Christian Cult of Ignorance a epitomized by the Evangelical, Pentecostal, Fundamentalist Televangelist and Pastor.
People like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ron Wyatt, Gene Scott are totally dishonorable.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 160 of 279 (381772)
02-01-2007 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by anastasia
02-01-2007 9:42 PM


They Lie for Money and Power. Jesus is just a patsy, a prop.
Or, you can understand the difference between a lie and being wrong about something. You can also believe someone else is wrong about something without calling them a liar, even wrong for believing what they believe.
See Message 158
Jerry Falwell is a LIAR.
However if you want to say someone is 'wrong' for believing something, as in; a 'liar' it would be nice to know what evil they are doing by spreading these 'lies'. Whatever your notion of the word 'lie' it is a word that, in our language, denotes something said in malice.
What's in it for Falwell and Robertson and Scott and Wyatt and Hovind and Hinn and almost EVERY Televangelist is money.
Money!!!!
and POWER!!!!!!!!
They know that the Evangelical, Pentecostal and Fundamentalist Christians are easy targets because they have been kept from learning how to think and trained to accept ANYTHING on Authority.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 170 of 279 (381793)
02-01-2007 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by anastasia
02-01-2007 10:31 PM


Re: Falwell Lies For Jesus?
I suppose I am having a dilemma about who exactly is a 'fellow christian'.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian, claims to speak as a Christian, is a Pastor, Priest or Minister of a Christian Church or who is perceived as a Christian.

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jar
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Message 174 of 279 (381800)
02-01-2007 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Buzsaw
02-01-2007 10:59 PM


Re: Falwell Lies For Jesus?
You can't prove that any of these were intentional or willful lies. "Judge and you shall not be judged" is the Jesus way. We fundies get accused of judging others. This shows that folks of all viewpoints point the finger of judgement when in fact they can't prove whether an honest mistake or a willful lie. I don't think Falwell would willfuly lie about Flint. I don't know whether the SD press got their story right for sure either so I choose to give the benefit of the doubt just as I would with you or anyone else before making spurilous judgements.
You don't think. That I believe.
Well fine.
Classic Copout!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jar
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Message 182 of 279 (381886)
02-02-2007 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by riVeRraT
02-02-2007 9:45 AM


Re: Who represents who?
So just ignore the musslim extremeists?
Fundamentalists of any stripe are a threat. I never said ignore the Muslim extremists but quite frankly, they are no where near as big a threat as the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
BTW, I don't think that cleaning house will ever happen. People will always manage to be bad, and claim they are Christian.
So we shouldn't make the effort? How pathetic!

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 189 of 279 (381947)
02-02-2007 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Fosdick
02-02-2007 1:04 PM


Re: Whatsa "cult"?
Whose opinion counts the most in a capitalistic democracy?
Who is speaking about opinions?
Jerry Falwell is Willfully Ignorant and a liar. Those are not opinions, they are facts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 191 of 279 (381971)
02-02-2007 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Quetzal
02-02-2007 4:45 PM


Who the Fundies will come after first
I think you may have put your finger on something there. There was never a shadow of a doubt in my mind that once the fundamentalists get rid of all us outsiders, they'll turn on each other like ravening dogs. Unfortunately, the likes of me won't be around to witness it...
You might be right but I fear that their first target will be folk like myself.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 198 of 279 (382009)
02-02-2007 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Buzsaw
02-02-2007 8:39 PM


Re: Who the Fundies will come after first
Sorry Buz but it is ALWAYS the Fundy Christians here that have threatened me. It was not an Atheist or Agnostic or Muslim that said I should be taken out and shot but a Fundy Christian.
And violence is but the smallest of the threats from Fundamentalism and its Cult of Ignorance. The greater threat is its attack on morality and the US Constitution, its bigotry and intolerance.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 201 of 279 (382012)
02-02-2007 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Buzsaw
02-02-2007 8:54 PM


Re: Who the Fundies will come after first
Document and we'll talk.
I will try to find it but it was iano. Typical reaction form a Biblical Christian.

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jar
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Message 204 of 279 (382020)
02-02-2007 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Hyroglyphx
02-02-2007 9:14 PM


Re: Who represents who?
In the face of mounds of evidence to the contrary, can I ask how in the world you could surmise this? What exactly makes the "Christian Cult of Ignorance" more of a threat than Islamofascists? I guess I'd also have to ask what constitutes a "threat" in your mind as well.
That is a good question even if throwing in "Islamofascists" does make me laugh.
The threat from the Christian Cult of Ignorance is in teaching folk not to think for themselves, in teaching them to accept indoctrination on "authority", in breeding a population unable to separate knowledge from belief, fact from fantasy.
The future depends on an educated voting population able to spot the conmen like almost all the Televangelists, particularly all those on the 700 Club and are part of Trinity Broadcasting. The Christian Cult of Ignorance threatens America and the whole Democratic system.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 205 of 279 (382022)
02-02-2007 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Buzsaw
02-02-2007 9:21 PM


Re: Who the Fundies will come after first
Oh, so it's big bad Iano who has your knees knocking. Yes, Iano........I forgot about that BRUTAL FUNDIE WHO HAS EVC NONBIBLICALFUNDIES SOOO TERRIFIED!
iano is simply typical of Fundies. And individually, they are not threatening, more pitiful than threatening.
The point is that the Fudies do regularly threaten violence. I do not see that from Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Wiccans or Satanists.
Jerry Falwell does.
Pat Robertson does.
iano did.
And you try very hard to propagate ignorance which is an even bigger threat than the Islamic Terrorists or the violence and intolerance that is Fundamentalism.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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