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jar
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Message 207 of 279 (382033)
02-02-2007 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Buzsaw
02-02-2007 9:42 PM


Re: Who the Fundies will come after first
LOL
iano promoted having me shot.
Falwell and Robertson are always calling down destruction one some poor city or nation.
Robertson suggested a nuke for the State Department and that Venezuela's president should be killed.
Jerry Falwell on 9-11
"The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen."
On feminists:
"I listen to feminists and all these radical gals... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."
And just to show what an absolute FOOL he is:
Now, further evidence that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple -- the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle -- the gay-pride symbol.
and to show that he is absolutely supporting the Christian Cult of Ignorance:
I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 209 of 279 (382040)
02-02-2007 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Hyroglyphx
02-02-2007 10:06 PM


You are still misrepresenting what I say, as usual.
You find a group of people that want to kill you for no real reason humorous?
No, I find your use of "Islamofascists" down right funny.
It is Fundamentalists I fear, Muslim and Christian.
In what way do Christians "not think for themselves" for any one can turn on the television and be absolutely imbued by the nonsense in front of their wide eyes and stony faces? This fraudulent charge has always bewildered me about those of a secular persuasion, alleging that Christians are sheep when they seem to glibly overlook their own indoctrination like lemmings toppling over themselves in complete delusion.
Again with the misrepresentations. Don't you folk ever get tired of trying to hide the pea in hope of fooling the audience?
I did not say Christians. I said the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
That is NOT all Christians but it certainly is ALL Biblical Literalists, YECs and ID supporters.
I think an honest analysis of the common atheist would reveal that they view themselves as being among the upper crust of society. In contrast, they view a theist as somewhat of a scathing lunatic, bent on world domination through proselytizing. If you ask me, I think they constantly stroke each other’s ego in an attempt to show the world just how much more intelligent they are. They often go to great lengths to prove just how pragmatic they are, not easily being swayed anything in their unflinching resolve.
Watch closely folk. Did you see him palm the pea?
What does that have to do with anything? I am not an Atheist. I am a Christian speaking about other Christians.
Seriously, how many people, even among Christians, actually cite televangelists as a source of inspiration? TBN and CBN are losing a fan base at an exponential rate. There is no movement so large that its launching some assault against you. Consequently, I do see that in reverse as the Church is being assaulted more by the day. You have invented a Bogeyman, or allowed your "authorities" to believe in the big, bad Christian out to get you and you've completely neglected the actual threats. Interesting.
You say that the Televangelists are in retreat, and if true that is a GOOD thing.
I see no assault on the Church though, none what so ever.
Hopefully though there will be an ever increasing growth of knowledge among Christians and they will continue to abandon the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
But before you leave folk, did you see him once more palm the pea, right in front of your noses.
NJ writes:
You have invented a Bogeyman, or allowed your "authorities" to believe in the big, bad Christian out to get you and you've completely neglected the actual threats. Interesting.
There it is folk.
"the word we are not supposed to use" for Jesus at its best.
Nowhere NJ did I "neglect" any threats. What I did say was that Ignorance is a far greater threat than Terrorism.
Don't you ever get tired of trying to con the audience?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 211 of 279 (382047)
02-02-2007 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Buzsaw
02-02-2007 10:56 PM


Re: Who the Fundies will come after first
I'd have to see the documentation as to what vein Pat made the alleged State Dept suggestion. Not only that but you have no documentation whatsoever that fundie Christians are now persecuting as the nonbiblicalfundies are.
Keep proving Percy's point Buz. You doing great.
You need to know what "vein" the statements of nuke the State Depatrment and that Venezuela's president should be killed?
You have got to be kidding me.
As to iano, I will post a link to the message if I ever come across it again. But I am certainly not going to spend much effort on it for several reasons. First search here sucks and it would mean finding every response to me from iano until I stumbled across it.
Second, when I pointed it out at the time AdminBuz and AdminFaith were so lacking in cajones that they did nothing about it, again proving Percy's point.
Just where is any violence here documented or threat of violence? It's all Pat's assessment of what has happened and his views on how he sees it. Nobody anywhere need fear the man Pat or any of his constituents. So he wants Christians running schools. LOL on that and if it were so, so what? It was that way for over a century in the early days of the Republic and nobody got killed.
Christian Cult of Ignorance Buz.
That is the threat.
Ignorance.
And yet more evidence that you are unable to read. Those were quotes from Jerry Falwell. And tell the Indians that no one got killed when Christians ran the schools. Tell the people that had their heritage stolen from them.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 216 of 279 (382090)
02-03-2007 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Hyroglyphx
02-02-2007 11:26 PM


Re: You are still misrepresenting what I say, as usual.
jar writes:
I find your use of "Islamofascists" down right funny.
to which NJ replied:
Okay, so what is so funny about it?
That is so funny because it is proof positive of the Cult of Ignorance. One of the Christian Conservative Right bobble-heads, likely Rush, used the term and so you pick it up and use it even though trying to relate that term to modern Islamic Terrorists simply shows how totally ignorant the speaker is.
Fascism is a method of Government where the Nation is owed supreme loyalty.
Muslims, particularly the terrorists, place God above all and see their identity as being Muslims first, and members of a given State secondary.
Islamo-Fascist is an oxymoron only used by idiots like Rush. They use it because they know their audience is too ignorant to see the humor, and the folk like Rush and Falwell and Robertson and O'Reilly and Coulter sit up there hauling in the shekles laughing at the dullness of the listeners.
The rest of your post is just more of your nonsense but I will try to touch on as many of your inane comments as I can.
Since "Fundamentalist" is pretty much an ambiguous term, what makes someone qualify as a Fundamentalist that would therefore make them so dangerous to society?
Fundamentalists encourage Ignorance. Ignorance is a threat to Democracy, the Republic and the very existence of the US. Fundamentalist encourage acceptance of authority over questioning authority. Accepting authority over questioning authority is a threat to Democracy, the Republic and the very existence of the US.
I've noticed that you cry foul ball every time a question is difficult for you to answer honestly. My question was very straight up, which deserves a very straight up answer. What did I misrepresent?
More misrepresentation. You even copied my response in your reply.
jar points out NJ's misrepresentation.
jar writes:
I did not say Christians.
then NJ goes on to blatther:
So, basically anyone that doesn't completely emasculate Christ's message? I see.... Your vague descriptions of Christianity make it difficult for you to refer to yourself as such and maintain any kind semblance of what every one knows to be Christianity. Forgive me if I forget that you are a Christian. Its just so easy to forget when your version of the gospel is watered down.
Yet more misrepresentation NJ. What I said was :
I said the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
That is NOT all Christians but it certainly is ALL Biblical Literalists, YECs and ID supporters.
There is no mention of the Gospel in there or even Christ's message. It specifically mentioned Biblical Literalists, YECs and ID supporters.
Don't you most identify with atheists? Didn't you say to Buzsaw that it isn't atheists condemning you, but rather your fellow compatriots? Don't you rush to the aid of atheists on the board but demonize any one that has even a hint of a mainstream belief in Christ? That's what it has to do with it.
Another example of your continued misrepresentation. In fact I would say that it is actually an example of the word we are not supposed to use.
It also once again shows your total and absolute willful ignorance. You have been here long enough NJ to know that I have identified myself as a Conservative, Republican, Christian Creationist Evolutionist in Message 1, that I have posted many threads that outline my Christian Beliefs (Message 1, Message 1, Message 1, Message 1, Message 1) and a whole host of others.
I will readily admit that I find most Atheists to have far higher moral standards that any Biblical literalist I have yet met.
Then that should serve as a warning that you have befriended the world and betrayed what the Church was meant to be, because its more than obvious that Judeo-Christian ideals are under attack by a virulent strain of compromisers and cynics.
Where? As I said, I see no signs of it.
I said:
Nowhere NJ did I "neglect" any threats. What I did say was that Ignorance is a far greater threat than Terrorism.
to which you replied in your typical snake oil salesman fashion:
You speak as though you have a Messianic complex-- the wise sage who has all the answers. What exactly is the ignorance that pervades fundamentalism that the rest of the world is either immune to or hasn't yet reached their ears?
Messianic? How droll. You don't even have a clue what Messianic means and you wonder why I consider ignorance a threat?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 225 of 279 (382130)
02-03-2007 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Hyroglyphx
02-03-2007 12:37 PM


Re: You are still misrepresenting what I say, as usual.
And Nj posts blah, blah blah.
But then NJ says:
Jar, you are in a bad habit of telling everyone they are wrong about their beliefs and you attempt to control the dialogue and pitch it so that you will always be justified, but your detractors are perpetually OT. That's dishonest debate. In other words, you aren't the boss. But you apparently think that you are. That's why I say its a messianic complex.
Yet more misrepresentation. I point out posts being off topic when "guess what????", they are off topic. I'm not a Boss, in fact I am not even an Admin anymore.
NJ posts:
What's inappropriate or inaccurate about that term? Wahhabists are Islamic fascists. How much more fitting could the name be?
Right, which makes it appropriate. Wahhabist extremists believe in a convert or die mentality, rendering the only source of inspiration to themselves and no other, but more particularly, only cite descendants of Muhammed as the source divine interpretation. That sounds quite familiar to Hitler and Mussolini.
Thank you for once again showing your total ignorance and inability to read.
Fascism is a form of "Nationalistic Government". Wahhabi is not a Nation.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 232 of 279 (382170)
02-03-2007 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Hyroglyphx
02-03-2007 2:28 PM


Re: You are still misrepresenting what I say, as usual.
"What is your definition of a Fundamentalism?"
Simple. Fundamentalists are those who deny reality and embrace ignorance. It does not matter whether they are Islamic Fundamentalist or Biblical Literalists or YECs or ID supporters, the one thing they do have in common is their embrace of Ignorance and denial of reality.
But they want it to be!!! Nazi's weren't initially a form a government. It started as an ideology, just like Wahhabists, who want total and complete domination of the people. Therefore, my point still stands that Wahhabists can aptly be referred to as Islamofascists.
I think you have made your position very clear, thank you. Your position is that you cannot read or comprehend what you read and love denying facts.
Your attempts to spin your use of Islamofascist has certainly helped support my position.
The fact that people may want domination does not make them Fascists.
Wahhabists may well want domination (although that too can be shown to be totally false. Saudi Arabia is a Wahhabist nation yet has not tried to dominate anyone) however they do not place Nation above all else as Fascist implies. Wahhabists place God at the apex.
Then stop trying to control the dialogue. Everytime, without fail, somebody disagrees with you, you pull the ever-so-convenient "Off Topic" or "misrepresentation" card.
Sorry but simply not true. Another example that seems very much like the word we are not supposed to say.
I point out off topic messages when they are, guess what??????, off topic.
I point out misrepresentation when you and others, guess what??????, misrepresent me.
Misrepresentation and the conman tactic of trying to misdirect the audiences attention while palming the pea appears to be a pattern, a tactic of way too many Christians.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 237 of 279 (382198)
02-03-2007 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Hyroglyphx
02-03-2007 6:29 PM


Re: You are still misrepresenting what I say, as usual.
jar said:
Fundamentalists are those who deny reality and embrace ignorance.
to which Nemesis replied:
A Fundamentalist (upper case) is a sect of Christians who believe in the literal translation of the Bible, hence the emphasis on the "fundamentals" of Christianity.
I rest my case. Thank you as you support the fact that they embrace Ignorance.
Fundamentalism is a Cult of Ignorance. Christian Fundamentalism is a Christian Cult of Ignorance.
In addition, they even lie to themselves since they do NOT accept a literal translation of the Bible.
You Also continue to misrepresent what I write EVEN when you quote it. Just so folk can see without having to scroll back, I said:
Fundamentalists are those who deny reality and embrace ignorance. It does not matter whether they are Islamic Fundamentalist or Biblical Literalists or YECs or ID supporters, the one thing they do have in common is their embrace of Ignorance and denial of reality.
so you can see that I was using the capitalized form of the word Fundamentalist and I already pointed out that the fact that the Christian Fundamentalist sects include the Biblical Literalists who by definition are ignorant. The Bible simply not literally true. That is fact.
Now granted not all Biblical Literalists are Ignorant. A few like Ron Wyatt were just crazy, delusional, and a large percentage, particularly of the leadership, are just crooks and conmen who count on the Ignorance of their audience.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 243 of 279 (382267)
02-03-2007 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Buzsaw
02-03-2007 10:42 PM


Re: Phelps Not A Biblical Fundie
Falwell who publically preaches on the sin of sodomy as well as heterosexual sin, on the contrary has said many times publically to "hate the sin and love the sinner."
Loves them by condemning them, opposing allowing them basic human rights and calling down the wrath of God on them.
LOL
He reaches out to help gays having a sideline ministry for that purpose to treat them kindly and attempt to change them as I understand.
Kindly attempt to change them. LOL
So he is an idiot as well as being a bigot, liar and hate monger.
Neither he nor you has ANY business worrying about anyones sins but your own.
Other peoples sins are NONE of your business.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 247 of 279 (382307)
02-04-2007 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Hyroglyphx
02-04-2007 2:49 AM


Re: You are still misrepresenting what I say, as usual.
Supporting a literal translation of the Bible automatically means that they embrace ignorance?
Yes. Of course.
Even in the event that they are ignorant, how can ignorance be as nearly pernicious a thing as people who want to detonate a nuclear explosive so as to incur maximum casualties?
Because a Nuclear Bomb does not threaten the continued existence of the Nation or humanity. It is horrific but such destruction has happened many times before and Nations have continued.
A Democratic Republic though cannot stand if the electorate is Ignorant.
The terrorist threatens lives, Ignorance threatens the very existence of the US and ultimately mankind.
Secondly, a literal interpretation doesn't make necessarily any one ignorant, it means they share a different view than you do.
Sorry, simply not true.
It is a FACT that there has never been a world-wide flood.
If someone thinks that there was a world-wide flood they are ignorant.
And what do you propose to mitigate this global threat you have concocted?
Education and honesty.
jar writes:
In addition, they even lie to themselves since they do NOT accept a literal translation of the Bible.
to which NJ replied:
quote:
And you would know this how?
Because many parts of the Bible are mutually exclusive. Genesis 1 for example contradicts Genesis 2. Yet the Literalists go through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to pretend there is no contradictions.
Why do you think people who believe in a literal translation of the Bible, which I myself maintain, invoke some sort of "con?" What are they conning for? And how deeply do you think this pervades society and how many literalists can you indict in this sweeping allegation?
100% of the Biblical Literalists con. Most just con themselves. Almost ALL Biblical Literalist Televangelists are conning for the money.
I had already answered that question, and you even quoted my answer. Here it is again:
jar writes:
Now granted not all Biblical Literalists are Ignorant. A few like Ron Wyatt were just crazy, delusional, and a large percentage, particularly of the leadership, are just crooks and conmen who count on the Ignorance of their audience.

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jar
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Message 249 of 279 (382319)
02-04-2007 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by johnfolton
02-04-2007 11:05 AM


Re: God gave them over to the reprobate mind. kjv Romans 1:28
Don't worry whatever. The Goats will not be Gays, but rather Christians just like you, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson; some Christians like Ron Wyatt will likely get a pass just because they are crazy and so not responsible for their actions.
Read Matthew 25 again.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 256 of 279 (382384)
02-04-2007 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by riVeRraT
02-04-2007 1:42 PM


Re: Who represents who?
But tell me, why should I think that your way is any better than those crazy Tvangilists.
LOL
You are kidding aren't you?
I have no idea why you should think my way (what ever the hell that is) is any better than those crazy Televangelists unless, when you test my Map against the Territory there is a greater correspondence.
And guess what????????????
Only you can test Maps for yourself.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 266 of 279 (382583)
02-05-2007 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Buzsaw
02-02-2007 9:30 AM


Where Biblical Creationists Lie to themselves.
I see it this way:
Science method: Here is the hypothesis: Let's see if we can dig up enough facts to declare it a scientific theory.
Creationist method: Here is the hypothesis: Let's see if we can dig up enough facts to lend credibility to it, being fully aware that no matter how much we dig up the scientific community will debunk it. CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS, PARTICULARLY THE BIBLICAL FUNDAMENTALISTS!
You tell yourself that the methods are as you state yet you have been told MANY times, and it can be proven, that what you said is incorrect.
Let's look at your first incorrect statement.
Science method: Here is the hypothesis: Let's see if we can dig up enough facts to declare it a scientific theory.
That buz, is incorrect and you have been shown why it is incorrect and EVERY 5th. Grade Science Fair exhibitor could show you why it is incorrect.
The Scientific method involves looking at the evidence to to support or refute the hypothesis.
Note the bolded section.
If the evidence Refutes the hypothesis, then the hypothesis has been falsified.
Next you said:
Creationist method: Here is the hypothesis: Let's see if we can dig up enough facts to lend credibility to it, being fully aware that no matter how much we dig up the scientific community will debunk it.
That is actually a very apt description of the methods of the Biblical Creationist and the ID supporters.
It is also damning them.
The Biblical Creationists have a set hypothesis. They look for evidence that might make the hypothesis credible.
Credible.
That is all they want. As you said, they are not looking to verify or refute the hypothesis, only that evidence that might make it "believable".
They are also very much aware that the existing evidence does "debunk" their hypothesis. In fact they know that their hypothesis has been debunked long ago.
It is very interesting that you chose those two words because they are actually very appropriate.
Credibility. "Capable of being believed; plausible."
Science does not really care if the hypothesis is credible in its most common sense, capable of being believed. In fact the hypothesis may well seem unbelievable, yet if the evidence shows it to be true, it must be true.
Debunk. "To expose or ridicule falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims"
Again, you chose a great word. Science has already shown that the claims of Biblical Creationists are false, sham or exaggerated.
Finally you added a strange line:
CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS, PARTICULARLY THE BIBLICAL FUNDAMENTALISTS!
I have no idea why you put that in.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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