Lying For Jesus Award

No science is not self-correcting and self-administrated because falsehoods survive in science because the final judge is not the real world but the god of this world(Not God). One example of the this is global warming when its known that mans total contribution to all green house gases including Co2 is only .28 % of one degree for the last 100 years. The sun and the oceans waters is what fuels global warming no tax on Co2 will be of any avail, were in them last days and the wicked will not be aquitted. Nahum 1:3But because the real world is not the judge the liberals that want to enforce Koyoto non-sense that are not based on fundementals will likely tax the Co2 going out your chimney. Its because the science of global warming is not based on science but religion(they believe its so) Why? because the fundementalists have shown the sun has heated up before Co2 was increased so the liberals will thrown common sense aside and tax that which is not the cause of global warming.It matters not if its global cooling (1970's) or global warming (2007) the problem has never been fossil fuel. Liberals fear fossil fuel because cheaper fuel empowers the real world and thats a problem to their liberal minds, because they believe all fundementalists would then be empowered.P.S. We should all thank the fundementalists because they are all thats holding the scientists accountable. Unfortunately the game is rigged by the god of this world that is using the liberals to attack the fundementalists. This attack has intensified during the Clinton administration because of the god of this world causing liberals to believe in that which is not as if it is truth.As long as the Christian is in the world they are the salt of this world(Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, etc...). Its this salt that bothers the devil which is why the attack against the fundementalists has intensified. The church its said will be overcome, 42 months (dragon worship)(bragging who is able to war with the object of their worship the Dragon) and they will overcome the church kjv rev 13:4-7 however the victory is the LORDS, kjv rev 17:14. Then comes the thousand year rule of Christ for the victory is the LORD's and the enemies of Christ will be as a footstool.

Oddly, I agree with you to a point (hey, there's a first time for everything...). However, in spite of some evidence to the contrary, I don't really think the fanatic end-timers will ever be in a position to really carry out their fantasies. That they can be manipulated by those of the new right whose stated goals are the de-secularization of society is entirely possible, however. That may be a fatal mistake itself - "tiger by the tail" and so forth. In any event, I think the threat to democracy and freedom from within the US is a more credible, near-term problem. The continual erosion of civil liberties, etc, promulgated by those who wrap themselves in the banner of Christianity - the folks jar calls the Cult of Ignorance - in order to further their personal ideological agendas and quest for power are the things we need to be concerned about.However, I don't see Armageddon happening for religious reasons - although that may be one of the excuses. Humans are really good at coming up with reasons to fight each other. Religion is merely one that has been used to good effect over the millenia. If World War III happens, it will be because of the usual issues: greed, power, and fanaticism in the service of ideology - religious or otherwise. That IS something to be worried about, but if it happens, then I think the Revelationists will be pretty disappointed in the outcome. As Einstein said (one of my favorite quotes): "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with stones and clubs". The thing the fanatics don't seem to realize is that if they achieve their stated objectives, there won't be any Rapture - just a handful of half-naked survivors squatting in the ruins of gutted cities.One good step would be for more overt condemnation of the crooks and ideologues who are using religion as a shield.

Isn't that symptomatic of a gathering brain cloud?

Greatly agree! I see serious cracks in our infrastructure.”Hoot

Then stop trying to control the dialogue. Everytime, without fail, somebody disagrees with you, you pull the ever-so-convenient "Off Topic" or "misrepresentation" card. And then you derisively say, "blah, blah, blah" whenever you don't want to answer simple questions, like, "What is your definition of a Fundamentalism?". But they want it to be!!! Nazi's weren't initially a form a government. It started as an ideology, just like Wahhabists, who want total and complete domination of the people. Therefore, my point still stands that Wahhabists can aptly be referred to as Islamofascists.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

The God of this world is self-correcting and self-administered because science survives the falsehoods. Man's total global warming contribution gases the CO₂ example. Taxing the CO₂ fuel warms global ocean waters till the wicked last days of acquittal. Judging the liberal's taxing of the real world in Koyoto's chimneys is fundamental nonsense. Religion is based on science because of global warming. Liberals heat common sense and tax the sun to cause global warming. The matter of fossil fuel cools the problem of global warming. Empowered fear of cheap fossil fuel liberates the real world problems to empower fundamentalist minds. An accounting of thanks for the fundamentalist hold on scientists is rigged by the world's god of the liberal attack on fundamentalists. Intensified administration causes liberal Clintonians to believe the truth of the liberals. Salting Christians has long been in the word. Fundamentalist attacks devil the intensive bother. Overcome churches will be said, dragon months will pass, and KJV will overcome the Lord's victory for a thousand Christs of victorious enemy footstools.--Percy

Simple. Fundamentalists are those who deny reality and embrace ignorance. It does not matter whether they are Islamic Fundamentalist or Biblical Literalists or YECs or ID supporters, the one thing they do have in common is their embrace of Ignorance and denial of reality. I think you have made your position very clear, thank you. Your position is that you cannot read or comprehend what you read and love denying facts.Your attempts to spin your use of Islamofascist has certainly helped support my position.The fact that people may want domination does not make them Fascists.Wahhabists may well want domination (although that too can be shown to be totally false. Saudi Arabia is a Wahhabist nation yet has not tried to dominate anyone) however they do not place Nation above all else as Fascist implies. Wahhabists place God at the apex. Sorry but simply not true. Another example that seems very much like _{the word we are not supposed to say}.I point out off topic messages when they are, guess what??????, off topic.I point out misrepresentation when you and others, guess what??????, misrepresent me.Misrepresentation and the conman tactic of trying to misdirect the audiences attention while palming the pea appears to be a pattern, a tactic of way too many Christians.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No, they don't. They want to destroy nations and governments and replace them with religion and religious administration.Fascism is an ideology that places the nation, defined in biological, cultural, and ethnographic terms, as supreme to all, including ideology. This has no relation to Islamic jihad movements, which oppose traditional national boundaries and want the entire Muslim world (which they envision as being the whole world, eventually) as being held sway under a caliphate. (To the extent that they think that far ahead. I imagine that the majority of the movement participates on the basis of much more immediate conflicts and concerns.)Jar is right; you're wrong. "Islamofascism" is a misnomer. "Muslim theocracy" would be much more accurate, but typically the right is adverse to labeling anything a theocracy - because it's exactly a Christian theocracy they have in mind for America, and they don't want that associated with terrorism.

It's too bad that there are not more Biblical fundies that speak and act accordingly. Instead, what is often the case is that the spokesmen for fundamentalism preach that they must control all aspects of life in whatever nation they would 'conquor' for their religious cult.

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"Modern U.S. Supreme Courts have raped the Constitution and raped the Christian faith and raped the churches by misinterpreting what the founders had in mind in the First Amendment of the Constitution... [W]e must fight against those radical minorities who are trying to remove God from our textbooks, Christ from our nation. We must never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours."
--Jerry Falwell, March 1993 sermon

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What if this attempt to "take back what is rightfully ours" is resisted?

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"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."
--D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries describing the role of Christians

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When such representatives of fundamentalism spout off in support of theocratic dictatorship, how come all other fundies are silent? Is it because they also want to see democracy destroyed? Is it because they fear an equal competition in the marketplace of ideas?What is so ridiculous about this whole exercise is that if the fundies were actually to seize power and recreate their paradise known as the Dark Ages, the resulting destruction of education, then the economy, then the military, and then the nation would be inevitable. It is as if the most vocal Biblical fundamentalists are a sort of fifth column for Islamic fundamentalists or Chinese communists. After all, the pronouncements from each are virtually identical save a few buzzwords.Should these fundies ever actually gain power why would the actions be any different than their stated goals? Or are we supposed to assume they are all liars for Jesus?Edited by anglagard, : spelin' and clar'tyEdited by anglagard, : more spelin'

That is not even close to what a fundamentalist is. A Fundamentalist (upper case) is a sect of Christians who believe in the literal translation of the Bible, hence the emphasis on the "fundamentals" of Christianity. A "fundamentalist" (lower case) is anyone who has specific beliefs concerning a principle or principles. For instance, some evolutionists could be considered fundamental evolutionists because they ascribe to Darwinian paradigm, whereas another group of evolutionists that ascribe to Gould and Eldridges' model of punctuated equilibrium might not be considered fundamentalists.But if we are to go by your definition that "fundamentalism" inherently inculcates ignorance into its definition, the mere fact that you don't even know what it actually means grants you access to your own definition. Do I get to refer to you as a fundie now? No spin necessary, its common sense.The Dictionary is, again, in my favor."Islamofascism is a controversial neologism suggesting an association of the ideological or operational characteristics of certain modern Islamist movements with European fascist movements of the early 20th century, neofascist movements, or totalitarianism. Organizations that have been labeled "Islamofascist" include Al-Qaeda" Of course not, otherwise Communists might be included in that. That's just one characteristic of fascism. Right, a Theocracy, something that sends many Americans in to a tizzy. At the head is Allah, the next rung includes the Caliphate, which IS governmental in all respects, and under that is Shari'a law to enforce the Caliphate which represents Allah's will. Perhaps you misrepresent yourself and we are clearly pointing out the inconsistencies of your own arguments. What I do is examine what you or someone else says and forces them to either commit or abandon their assertion. No redirection is required. If I won't allow someone to escape their own words, that's me holding them accountable to the careless words they say, not misrepresenting the issue or redirecting anything.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

LOL! If that's "in your favor" then I'd hate to see what it looks like when it's against you. Or did you not notice that it says "controversial" there in the definition?

jar said: to which Nemesis replied: I rest my case. Thank you as you support the fact that they embrace Ignorance.Fundamentalism is a Cult of Ignorance. Christian Fundamentalism is a Christian Cult of Ignorance.In addition, they even lie to themselves since they do NOT accept a literal translation of the Bible.You Also continue to misrepresent what I write EVEN when you quote it. Just so folk can see without having to scroll back, I said: so you can see that I was using the capitalized form of the word Fundamentalist and I already pointed out that the fact that the Christian Fundamentalist sects include the Biblical Literalists who by definition are ignorant. The Bible simply not literally true. That is fact.Now granted not all Biblical Literalists are Ignorant. A few like Ron Wyatt were just crazy, delusional, and a large percentage, particularly of the leadership, are just crooks and conmen who count on the Ignorance of their audience.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I think its the salt that bothers those not of Falwell persuasion, its not about word salads but the salt.

How is that not the same? The Caliphate is identical to fascism in more ways than one. Not that it matters because this is arguing over the semantics. But the caliphate is establishing for themselves a total rule in where fascist ideals are being espoused. And if its not fascist, then you can in no wise refer to Bush as being a fascist while asserting that he wants to set up a theocracy at the same time. Besides, even if someone used it as a pejorative, the premise of what it is and what it stands for still stands. I don't care if you call it Islamofascism, Muslim theocracy, or pumpkin pie. The premise still stands that Islamic extremism has already proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, that it poses a far greater threat on a global scale than any invented, wholly imagined bogeyman that Jar has drummed up about televangelists. There are people out there will dismember you for existing, blow up the eastern seaboard with nuclear device if it could get a hold of one, force you to adopt their way of thinking, and Jar is concerned about sweaty men in cheap suits and bad comb-over talking about Jesus.Yeah, I'm just not seeing the two as analogous.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

Bouts of salted persuasion falls well within the salads of thought.--Percy