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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I acknowledge that Shakespeare was a very effective playwright. But being about to "strike a deep chord of empathy with audiences across several centuries" has nothing to do with what I am referring to here. Then for the love of crimney, please explain what you are referring to here. You said it was truth, and an examined life. But apparently, expressing universally appreciable truths about the human life, more effectively than anyone, ever, does not qualify.
What separates Harper Lee from Jean Paul Sartre? A black poloneck and a crapload of cigarettes. But seriously, is there a reason you're shifting the focus onto apples v. oranges now? Why don't we ask what separates tapioca pudding from beekeeping? Fortunately, we can agree on one thing... Hemingway sucked.
This is exactly the kind of truth I am referring to. What is discussed in these famous English writers novels and short stories has NOTHING to do with truth. Even if what they say happens to be true! And incidentally, Lee, Fitzgerald, and Hemingway were all American.
I guess Plato was right when he talked about those who would work and those who would become Philosopher Kings. Tell me, who would you say truly grasps the eternal and unchangeable... the author who writes about human emotions that are still relatable after centuries, or the musician who whines about people watching TV? "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I enjoyed reading Hemingway, For Whom the Bell Tolls was amazing. Old man and the sea was amazing.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
You should probably stop admonishing people to read more carefully, if all you took from that post was "Hemingway sucks."
However, if that's where you're touching down, I'll go ahead and provide the same post for you again, in Hemingwayspeak.
quote: "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2542 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
if he doesn't get it, next try stream of concsiousness.
I always liked Farewell to Arms. but then, I have a tendency to like books the rest of my lit. class hated (or disliked).
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Sorry I felt like the topic was dead.
It is, but I think that the main objective was shown.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
It is, but I think that the main objective was shown.
I think the only thing that was shown is that you have a classic case of teenage knowitallitis, the condition should clear up in 10-15 years. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I had, at the start, typed up a response with each sentence provided for but I felt like my argument and objective had been shown to be true. I also felt that it would be tarnished with further discussion in the way a new song is after listening to it many times.
I feel that if someone reads this thread they will understand what I am talking about and agree. That is all that matters really. I guess what I mean to say is that everyone will realize that the beatles and shakespeare weren't anything special and should be smiled at. Peace
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
This is what Daniel Johnston had to say about the Beatles. I know what he means but I know that Daniel Johnston was much more.
When I was born in '61 They already had a hit They worked so hard and they Made it too They really were very good They deserved all their success They earned it yes they did they didn't Buy their respect And everybody wanted to be like them Everybody wanted to be the Beatles And I really wanted to be like him But he died A legendary rock group Like history now to read Like a magical fairy tale that's hard to believe But it really did happen Four lads who shook the world God bless them for what they done God bless them for what they done -Daniel Johnston
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
What do you know?
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CK Member (Idle past 4157 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That your pattern of interaction shows that all of your threads are low on coherent or novel content from you but generally have some interesting points from others that provide something worth following?
That you perform a useful function because we all have a good giggle over our coffee and remember when we were that young and sheltered?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
I feel that if someone reads this thread they will understand what I am talking about and agree. That is all that matters really. I guess what I mean to say is that everyone will realize that the beatles and shakespeare weren't anything special and should be smiled at. No, they will read this and think that some immature twit wrote it... And when someone tells them that this kid thinks he's a musician and can say such things about the Beatles they will laugh long and hard... It doesn't matter whether you love or hate the Beatles - once you realise why the Beatles were/are special, you will have learned something.
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nyenye Inactive Member |
You pissed off a lot of my friends, they are all music junkies... If you wanted a debate about it, they will give ya you're money worth!
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
It should also be said that Nas is a true artist.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Why is it impossible to be a "true artist" if you also "live life for fun"? quote: Says who? You? "Fun" does not have to equal "frivolous", you know. According to you, all of your favorite artists were either severely mentally ill or died of drug overdoses or suicide.
quote: Bullshit.
quote: More bullshit. You really are a remarkable cliche of a teenager, you know.
quote: Who said anything about an unexamined life? Clearly, you are convinced that "life is pain" or some dreck like that.
quote: So, you love playing your instrument and you have a blast making music, but you don't have any fun when you do it. Got it. You are the typical miserable middle class teenager, I get it already. You're really deep and sensitive and you are the only one who really understands pain. Gotcha.
quote: So, what did Johnston believe about the Beatles, do you think, based upon what he wrote in his song about them? Why would Eliott Smith cover Beatles songs so many times if he didn't think their stuff was trivial and meaningless?
quote: Right. You are the arbiter of all music and philosophy, just like every other teenager in the world. Right there with you. (Of course, Smith and Johnston are both mentally ill.) Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Do you really think that drug abusers and mentally ill people "understand life" better than everyone else?
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