Hate Speech 101

Nothing could support the bankruptcy of your position more than your post in reply to Message 28.Just so everyone can see it in toto, I have copied it here verbatim.NJ's post: (attributions added for clarity) Amazing, yet another example of using the Bible to justify piss poor behavior.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm not sure why you think you really have something on me, but by all means revel in your pile of dirt. YOU introduced the Bible into the discussion, and I'm giving you a specific verse, quoted from your Master, which says that the poor will always be with us.So, please explain to me what kind of point you think you've made? Either the Bible is not the authority, in which case, don't ever quote from it, or it is, which validates my usage of it.You seem to cherry pick whenever it suits your agenda. Either believe in it or don't. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

So because the Bible says we will always have the poor with us we should accept that as fact?Get serious.Many Christians simply do not accept that as even a possible outcome. We may not succeed but BY GOD we are going to try to make poverty history.Once again, the link I provided above to ONE Episcopalian campaign to make poverty history.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Irrelevant. People who, otherwise, would get no care at all.That's what people seem to miss most of the time. A long wait is better than an infinite wait.Regardless, I don't see how any of this is on-topic. Debating the complexities of health care systems seems boring and fruitless. Those seem like pretty arbitrary distinctions. Obviously, in any system where people don't have precisely identical wealth, somebody's at the top and somebody's at the bottom, and you can split the graph into three tiers.To that extent, your statement is a tautology. But the idea that the conditions of the poor are eternal and therefore any attempt to ameliorate is doomed to failure is another made-up economic "fact" conservatives use to justify slashing any sort of aid for the poor. What's this unstated purpose for the poor? I thought that meant painting, chroming stuff, putting on those vinyl flames on the side, horns that honk La Cucaracha, that sort of stuff. "Pimp My Ride" kind of stuff.I don't know much about cars. If it doesn't take as long as you say it does, then I guess it's a good deal for him.

well, i don't think that's what's going on, exactly. but you're right that us liberals don't much like screaming and childish games and spite on our radio. the fact that liberal radio shows of that nature are so unpopular should demonstrate that. on the flipside, what does the popularity of similar conservative shows indicate?ask a random liberal what they listen to on the radio. i bet a rather large majority (crash excluded ) will report that they listen to npr. i know i do. not a lot of nastiness there.

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Not sure why you think I had to be excluded - I listen to NPR every day. I stream WBUR out of Boston on my computer while I level my rogue.

oh, only because you mentioned some other less popular "actually-liberal" radio first, instead of npr. it was a "first choice" kind of thing; i wasn't seriously excluding you. i can't think of many liberals that listen to the radio and DON'T listen to npr. curious, that.

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Because you sourced the Bible as an appeal to my better judgment, I'm showing you that God Himself stated that we will always have the poor among us. Either remain consistent in your assessment that the Bible is just a guide, and thereby, shouldn't use it to try and defend your mole hill. And if you do try to use it as leverage, then don't casually dismiss another piece of Scripture that brings your entire position into disrepute. I think that we're not here to save the world. I think we're here to make the life of one person better. It seems that those who try to save the entire world end up messing it up even worse than it was compared to the person who makes a little difference along the way. To think there is any humanistic system that is going to eradicate poverty is in for some heartache. Its about the person who volunteers at a soup kitchen, who by their small contribution, ends up makes a big difference in the lives they touched.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

Thanks for the laugh ! That really is one of the funniest things I've seen here.

I have to agree. Swift and Voltaire must be envious of such erudition.Edited by anglagard, : sounds betterEdited by anglagard, : spelin

Why not?Why use the Bible to support your baser position? Which simply shows you do not even bother reading material provided. The link I provided was to ONE Episcopalian. Somehow you must have missed the big, capitalized ONE.And just how do you think the world gets saved if it is not one individual at a time?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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If you can name me one political/economic institution that successfully eradicated poverty, or name me one civilization that has achieved this, I will gladly concede.

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That's more than relevant being that mankind has had more ample chances to stamp it out. I find it a bit incredulous that those who don't believe in heaven seem to believe in Utopian ideals with ease. Give me a break. The idea that conditions of the poor is eternal is realistic, however, we never stop trying to ameliorate poverty. True poverty is good for no human being and its no good for any society, because it depletes resources. But, again, we aren't talking about poverty, we were talking about the economy. Perhaps "purpose" is the wrong word here. What I mean to say is that it reflects the ratio of jobs per population. In other words, its the reality. Since not everyone should be payed the same wage, because some jobs are vastly more complicated than others that require special training, not every one is going to live well. Some jobs are going to be menial. Since we are payed by the merit of the job, it is necessary for some people to take up those jobs.For some reason, there is this negative attitude about those who take menial jobs. Either we feel sorry for them or we look down on them. I don't think either attitude is good for that person because it unduly stigmatizes them, somehow invalidating their efforts. No, that's a bit more involved. Detailing is car washing/drying, polishing, cleaning the rims, spraying down the interior with Armor-All, cleaning the windows, vacuuming the interior, etc. The only drawback to it is that its monotonous work. Its not exactly a job someone might not derive a sense of fulfillment from it, and there are some funky fumes in the shop that probably isn't good to breathe in for prolonged periods.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

Nobody's saying that it won't be hard. But does the fact that we haven't landed a man on Mars, for instance, mean it's impossible to do so? That's nonsense. The fact that we've made progress on the front of poverty (as well as space exploration) proves that, eventually, we'll figure it out.It's just hard, is all. To which you think poverty is "no good" and yet simultaneously "crucial."Can you see why I've come to the conclusion that you're just making it up as you go along? I think there's a negative attitude about those jobs, sure; and not everybody was born to be a brain surgeon. But honestly not even the people who do those jobs want their children to do them. Everybody wants a job that people respect, and when the plumber comes over to your house to do a job you can't do, he's a servant to most people, not a trained expert. Well, that's one thing. In the free market utopia that you're infatuated with, what responsibility does the employer have for the health consequences of his employees doing their jobs?

To get things slightly back on topic...have you ever listened to Michael Savage (Savage Nation) on the radio? He has a pretty popular evening show. Used to have a TV show on MSNBC before he screamed something about how he hoped all the gay "sodomites" would "get AIDS and die." He was fired for some reason.I listened to his show a few times and heard comments like "turd-world nations" to describe developing nations with a non-white populous.Currently Rush Limbaugh is calling Barack Obama "Half-rican American". I guess thats funny if you're a racist.Bill O'Reilly has his famous "Paris Business Review" lie about the billions of dollars his France boycott has cost France since they wouldn't support the Iraq invasion.Are these all examples of "eloquent, polite, intelligent, thoughtful" conversation?I have never heard of the show you mentioned in the OP, and I haven't listened to Air America is a couple years. I mostly listen to NPR driving to and from work. When at work, I listen to my "Dropkick Murphey's" radio station from Pandora.com...everyone should check out that website.~clpMINI

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