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Rob 
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Message 181 of 313 (382343)
02-04-2007 12:30 PM
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02-04-2007 12:28 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
Did you know that if you turn up the heat slowly, a frog will let you boil him...
I think you're about to crash... And that's good. An addict can't begin to recover until he hits his bottom and realizes his depravity.
Such is the power and blinding effect of sin. It's verafiable. And has been repeated throughout history.
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Message 182 of 313 (382345)
02-04-2007 12:40 PM
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02-04-2007 11:59 AM


Where does your faith reside?
rob asks:
Where does your faith reside?
Escherichia coli. I have supreme faith in E. coli. I am so devoted to them that I let them hold their masses in my guts and conjugate in the pews as free as they please. I believe in their goodness and biological necessity. But I am aware that few bad ones can spoil an otherwise good public image of anything worth being faithful about.
”Hoot

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crashfrog
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Message 183 of 313 (382347)
02-04-2007 12:44 PM
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02-04-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
LOL!
Sorry, Rob. The only thing that's rising is my puzzlement at how long you can go on spewing bullshit before even you realize you're not making any sense. Like, your last post.
(Oh, and incidentally - it's well-known that, in fact, even a frog hops out of the pot long before it's hot enough to do any damage.)
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ringo
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Message 184 of 313 (382348)
02-04-2007 12:48 PM
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02-04-2007 12:29 PM


Re: Do not fear the magicians of science!
Rob writes:
As I said to Hoot mon, "Faith is seeing what is not verified, by extrapolating the things that are verified."
That's a perfect example of how science and religion are different.
  1. Science does not use faith.
  2. Science sees only what is verified.
  3. Science still has to verify its extrapolations.
In science it is called theorizing.
In science, the theory has to be verified by empirical evidence that can be seen.

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Rob 
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Message 185 of 313 (382349)
02-04-2007 12:49 PM
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02-04-2007 12:40 PM


Re: Where does your faith reside?
Escherichia coli. I have supreme faith in E. coli. I am so devoted to them that I let them hold their masses in my guts and conjugate in the pews as free as they please. I believe in their goodness and biological necessity. But I am aware that few bad ones can spoil an otherwise good public image of anything worth being faithful about.
Verdi gude Mon'
Not to mention they have a unique method of locomotion that disturbs the establishment and sends them into fits of philosophizing and specualtive cover-up!
Little rebel bastards anyway!
I am proud of my culture... Mon'.
Get it??? Culture? Bacteria?

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sidelined
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Message 186 of 313 (382350)
02-04-2007 12:51 PM
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02-04-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
Rob
Did you know that if you turn up the heat slowly, a frog will let you boil him...
Sorry Rob. This is merely an urban legend.To the contrary tests have been done to determine such responses in animals and the results are that they do respond to the increase in heat.
The urban legend is merely used as metaphor to express the view that we ignore gradual changes ,sometimes until it is too late.
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Rob 
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Message 187 of 313 (382351)
02-04-2007 12:52 PM
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02-04-2007 12:48 PM


Re: Do not fear the magicians of science!
In science, the theory has to be verified by empirical evidence that can be seen.
And you have great faith that it will?... someday?... if I am patient and imaginative like our noble and exalted scientists?
Our great 'high priests' of the modern and progressive religion? Worthy are you oh Holy scientists!
To you belong the glory and the honor!
Oh doctrine of scientific methodology... save us lord!!!
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Rob 
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Message 188 of 313 (382354)
02-04-2007 12:59 PM
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02-04-2007 12:51 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
With English, Natural Selection equates to people preferring one sentence over the other.
You quoted me as saying that, but I did not say that...
We were talking about the frog in the water yes?
The urban legend is merely used as metaphor to express the view that we ignore gradual changes ,sometimes until it is too late.
I agree! Like sin becoming more and more accepted... and justified... and tolerated... until it's too late?
Oh that's right... I apologize... sin doctrine is not tolertated today. It is absolutely off topic. That is the whole purpose of science and this forum.... To dodge that issue.
Please do forgive me...

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jar
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Message 189 of 313 (382355)
02-04-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Rob
02-04-2007 12:30 PM


more off topic nonsense
Rob, do you EVERY plan on posting something that is on topic, makes any sense, is even close to being accurate or that has a point?
I realize asking for all of the above in one messsage may be too much but do you think maybe you can shoot for getting at least one of them in a message?
In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Is Science a Religion?"

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sidelined
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Message 190 of 313 (382357)
02-04-2007 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Rob
02-04-2007 12:59 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
Rob
I agree! Like sin becoming more and more accepted... and justified... and tolerated... until it's too late?
How about opening a thread on this Rob? We can then argue that point together.

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Rob 
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Message 191 of 313 (382358)
02-04-2007 1:04 PM
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02-04-2007 12:59 PM


Re: more off topic nonsense
In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Is Science a Religion?"
Is that a question open for discussion jar? Or have you already arrived at an absolute conclusion?
It was on topic... It is scientific. It is verifiable, and has been repeated throughout history. It falls into the catagory of pysychology. But for a 'whole' understanding of the issue, one must look to the spiritual root of the problem (which falls out of accepted scientific inquiry).
And that is the purpose of science as it is used today. To ignore the spirtual reality underlying our common problems.
Just admit you like your sin. It's not very complicated in itself, but will oen up a whole arena of reality that you currently cannot fathom.
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Rob 
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Message 192 of 313 (382360)
02-04-2007 1:07 PM
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02-04-2007 1:03 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
How about opening a thread on this Rob? We can then argue that point together.
Uh...
...you and I already have an open 'Great Debate' on that very issue. That's why I thought it was so funny!

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ringo
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Message 193 of 313 (382361)
02-04-2007 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Rob
02-04-2007 12:52 PM


Re: Do not fear the magicians of science!
Rob writes:
In science, the theory has to be verified by empirical evidence that can be seen.
And you have great faith that it will?
You really, really, really don't have the first inkling of a clue about what we're discussing, do you?
The more you try to denigrate science in your incresingly inept way, the more you show the difference between science and religion.
Once again: science does not use faith.
Once again: show us the "similarities" between science and religion, not the differences.
Hint: If you use the word "faith" in your description of science, you automatically lose.

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Message 194 of 313 (382363)
02-04-2007 1:10 PM
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02-04-2007 1:04 PM


Re: more off topic nonsense
Is that a question with an answer jar? Or have you already arrived at an absolute conclusion?
The question, "Is Science a Religion" has been answered with a high degree of confidence.
The Answer is, "No, Science is not a Religion."
Until a sufficient body of evidence is presented to challenge that conclusion it can be considered settled.

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Rob 
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Message 195 of 313 (382365)
02-04-2007 1:17 PM
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02-04-2007 1:10 PM


Re: more off topic nonsense
The question, "Is Science a Religion" has been answered with a high degree of confidence.
The Answer is, "No, Science is not a Religion."
And you have a high degree of faith in that answer?
Until a sufficient body of evidence is presented to challenge that conclusion it can be considered settled.
You are ignoring the body of evidence...
"The depravity of man, is at once... the most emperically verifiable reality. yet at the same time, is the most intellectually resisted fact!" (Malcomb Muggeridge)
How many times do I have to tell you that?
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

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