Lying For Jesus Award

LOLYou are kidding aren't you?I have no idea why you should think my way (what ever the hell that is) is any better than those crazy Televangelists unless, when you test my Map against the Territory there is a greater correspondence.And guess what????????????Only you can test Maps for yourself.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Dear Charley, obviously God HAS allowed His Holy Word to be published by that ungodly group.Your link is replete with mis-spellings and false dilemmas. It is obvious that the NIV was compared only to the KJV and not to the original language texts.For example, the word Lucifer is NOT used in the Hebrew...a subject we have been over many times at EvC.Lucifer is used in the Latin Vulgate, in Hebrew it is haylel, the Morning Star, and it DOES NOT mean Satan.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

Ezekiel 28:17 TAlks about this anointed cherub being cast to the ground, just like the Isaiah verse. Lucifer is the anointed Cherub that was cast to the earth that will no longer be a terror to the inhabitants of the earth (future prophecy) in respect to after the 42 months alotted to the dragon kjv rev 13:4 that gives his power to the beast. Then after his armies are destroyed Satan the dragon that gave his power to the beast will be chained and bound for a thousand years, then loosed for a season and then cast into the lake of fire. kjv rev 20:10 & kjv Isaiah 14:15.The Origin of Satan Lucifer Devil bible genesis why did God made make Satan devil LuciferEdited by Charley, : No reason given.

The point is only that Lucifer means Morning Star. The KJV is the book that shows bias in its translations of 'Lucifer' where it is convenient, but there is no difference in the passages calling Jesus 'The Morning Star'.

kjv Ezekiel 28:17 Explains that Lucifer is the anointed Cherub that was cast down to the earth. kjv Ezekiel 28:15 says he was created not begotten which explains why Isaiah says he is the son of the morning & not the bright and morning star. Jesus is the bright and morning star not the son of the morning he is also the root and the offspring of David. kjv revelation 22:16kjv Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright and morning star.Note: kjv Isaiah 14:12 says the son of the morning! not the bright and morning star. Lucifer was created thus only a son of the morning!

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Its a legitimate strategy!

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No, it is most definitely not a "legitimate strategy".According to the Fourm Rules:8) Avoid any form of misrepresentation.You are misrepresenting/lying about your true views when you troll, and since none of us is psychic, we cannot read your mind to know when you are presenting your views sincerely and when you are trolling.10) Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.Trolling is the complete opposite of respectful, since it seeks only to goad and deceive in order to provoke a response, and specifically and completely departs from productive discussion.I will repeat the message I posted previously: Edited by nator, : to fix bolding

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Science method: Here is the hypothesis: Let's see if we can dig up enough facts to declare it a scientific theory.

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Wrong.Science method: Here are the observed facts. Let's see if we can develop an explanation for why the facts appear as they do. Let's now make a prediction based upon that explanation, in order to test it's accuracy. The outcome will tell us how right we were in our explanation of the facts, how much we need to alter our initial explanation to reflect the facts better, or if we need to scrap the explanation entirely.After all this time, you still don't understand the bare basics of the scientific method, buz. That's so sad.

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Creationist method: Here is the hypothesis: Let's see if we can dig up enough facts to lend credibility to it, being fully aware that no matter how much we dig up the scientific community will debunk it.

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Well, it's invalid as science from the start if they don't follow the scientific method, just like playing football in a 1 mile diameter round sand arena, an 8 foot net, 6 beach balls, and 150 players on each side isn't valid as football.

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CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS, PARTICULARLY THE BIBLICAL FUNDAMENTALISTS!

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Would you rather be a "liar" or "willfully ignorant", buz?Those are the choices. Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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'Explanations like "God won't be tested by scientific studies" but local yokels can figure it out just by staying aware of what's going on have no rational basis whatsoever.' -Percy"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."- Richard Feynman"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders

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BTW, I don't think that cleaning house will ever happen. People will always manage to be bad, and claim they are Christian.

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so, does that mean that Christians are defined not by their faith, but by their behavior?In other words, are you claiming that it is impossible for a Christian to "be bad" and remain a Christian, because this is what your statement above implies?

CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS, PARTICULARLY THE BIBLICAL FUNDAMENTALISTS!
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Where did this quote come from and why do you implicate EvC Biblical creationists by posting it? Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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"CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS, PARTICULARLY THE BIBLICAL FUNDAMENTALISTS!"

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Where did this quote come from and why do you implicate EvC Biblical creationists by posting it?

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Buz, you wrote it. (sarcastically, I figured)Didn't you see that I was replying to your message?

You tell yourself that the methods are as you state yet you have been told MANY times, and it can be proven, that what you said is incorrect.Let's look at your first incorrect statement. That buz, is incorrect and you have been shown why it is incorrect and EVERY 5th. Grade Science Fair exhibitor could show you why it is incorrect.The Scientific method involves looking at the evidence to to support or refute the hypothesis.Note the bolded section.If the evidence Refutes the hypothesis, then the hypothesis has been falsified.Next you said: That is actually a very apt description of the methods of the Biblical Creationist and the ID supporters.It is also damning them.The Biblical Creationists have a set hypothesis. They look for evidence that might make the hypothesis credible.Credible.That is all they want. As you said, they are not looking to verify or refute the hypothesis, only that evidence that might make it "believable".They are also very much aware that the existing evidence does "debunk" their hypothesis. In fact they know that their hypothesis has been debunked long ago.It is very interesting that you chose those two words because they are actually very appropriate.Credibility. "Capable of being believed; plausible."Science does not really care if the hypothesis is credible in its most common sense, capable of being believed. In fact the hypothesis may well seem unbelievable, yet if the evidence shows it to be true, it must be true.Debunk. "To expose or ridicule falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims"Again, you chose a great word. Science has already shown that the claims of Biblical Creationists are false, sham or exaggerated.Finally you added a strange line: I have no idea why you put that in.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

as much as that looks really terrying that puts a blast radius at 5.75 miles realistically in the scheme of things that is a very tiny amount of space. Also the size of the explosion is ridiculously tiny, also probably overly generous as terrorists wouldn't have anything larger then 1 or 2 k tons.The EMP blas as dangeroues as it is would only cover a 17 mile radius, ironically this is also very tiny in the scheme of things. At most it would only wreck at most a single city, and while that is damaging in the grand scheme of things it is a very small portion of what the US is. also that blast radius is over estimated..

100%You can believe in Christ, but you must show it. In Romans somewhere it says to be with Christ, you must be in Christ.In other words, are you claiming that it is impossible for a Christian to "be bad" and remain a Christian, because this is what your statement above implies?[/qs]Not at all. All Christians are sinners. Christians were given that name, because they were attempting to follw the teachings of Christ. Personally, I like the word disciple much better.
It's people who go against Christians, and have some kind of hate towards them, that try to make it appear, that if you believe in Christ, somehow that makes you like Christ, and then proceed to test you on it.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

It was a lousy low blow for you to quote mine it out of context so as to apply it to your purpose of inflamitory insult without identifying it's author. When you quote someone it's your duty to apply it to it's rightful context and to credit the author of it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Can you in anyway justify calling a post wherein virtually your entire post which was being responded to was quoted as quote mining out of context?If you wanted to know where it came from all you had to do was follow the backtracking link at the bottom.I don't see any need to impugn others motives just because you failed to recognise something you yourself wrote. It would also be hard to contextualise it since even in its original context it just seems to be random madness as Jar pointed out.If you think you have a case then bring it to the attention of the mods, otherwise why not address the actual substance of the critiques of your post?TTFN,WK