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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: And you believe them? LOL! Until you show me who you nominate as the originator of the rosary, I'm sticking with St Dominic.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
No no, I'm not saying that it's not.
But honestly what's the difference between praying the rosary and the guy who's compelled to touch every parking meter as he walks down the street?
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Nonsense, and I already explained why this isn't true. Honestly I don't see the first thing in your post that's an actual response to what I wrote - just more of the insulting arrogance of the believer, who claims sole dominion over the best of man's achievements but no responsibility for its greatest evils. I don't claim dominion over anything, Crashfrog. All that I am saying is that I love the history of my religion, the art, the music, the language, and that I would not choose to be without this.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: But honestly what's the difference between praying the rosary and the guy who's compelled to touch every parking meter as he walks down the street? One is a devotion, one is an obsession.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Ringo writes: So you agree that god-sense is not natural? Do you also agree that it is learned? Nope. Learning requires a teacher, and the teacher had to get the thought from somewhere. If we start out without god-sense, as a lower life form, we have nothing to teach.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: If we start out without god-sense, as a lower life form, we have nothing to teach. That's why people who are not taught don't have a god-sense. That's also why some are able to unlearn it. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
All that I am saying is that I love the history of my religion, the art, the music, the language, and that I would not choose to be without this. For once you're not being arrogant. Can you accept that others can turn their backs on all that without ceasing to see the beauty in the world?
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Sure, there is no secret code to seeing beauty. I only remember so vividly a time when I thought that beauty was all there was. It was so much, and so little.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Ringo writes: That's why people who are not taught don't have a god-sense. That's also why some are able to unlearn it. Doesn't explain where it comes from though, does it? Unless, of course, the teacher is God.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Doesn't explain where it comes from though, does it? Unless, of course, the teacher is God. The teacher could be anybody. The first teachers were shamans who made up gods to fool the gullible. I suspect that priesthoods have always contained more hucksters than "true believers". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
The first teachers were shamans who made up gods to fool the gullible. I think it more likely that the shamans were the most gullible of the lot. The human mind has a great tendency to make Type 1 errors (see patterns where none exist), much larger than our tendancy for Type 2 errors (to miss a pattern). It would be better to run away from a possible predator or enemy than to miss the warnings...so it's better to hear voices in the wind or see faces in the rocks than to miss them. So, these shamans are probably the ones making the most errors, and telling the people about it (spreading the memes!). It would only take a few people to corroborate it and this shaman would be considered truly perceptive and wise, and given the position of healer and seer etc. "Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Doddy writes: I think it more likely that the shamans were the most gullible of the lot. That's entirely possible. The fooler-to-foolee ratio could go either way. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Ringo writes: The teacher could be anybody. Oh, I don't care who the teacher is, I want to know where he got his 'god-sense'. So, now you want to say there is no god-sense, but a made-up story to fool the gullible. If this is your belief, then you do indeed have no religion, nothing beyond the natural to explain your existance, nothing but science to appease your searching mind. I can't imagine limiting my mind so much, when it has been given to me with so much capacity for something more. I can find fault in your words even if I look into myself. There is no gullibility, not even for you.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Doddy writes: So, these shamans are probably the ones making the most errors, and telling the people about it (spreading the memes!). It would only take a few people to corroborate it and this shaman would be considered truly perceptive and wise, and given the position of healer and seer etc. Yeah, by a few people. There is also the possibility that patterns do exist in things which can not be tested, and that shamans are the only ones who CAN see them. Science, remember, can only test what it can understand. The important thing is that humans have the ability to recognize and miss patterns. Any correlation between religious tendencies and people who don't miss patterns, or vice versa? Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: I can't imagine limiting my mind so much.... Do you realize how funny that sounds? If you weren't putting limits on your mind, you could imagine more. Being responsible for your own questions and answers doesn't limit your mind.It challenges your mind. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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