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Author Topic:   What's the beef with the ACLU?
Dan Carroll
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Message 5 of 199 (382897)
02-06-2007 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Phat
02-06-2007 9:41 AM


Re: This Post will spark a debate!
I agree with you and have no issues with the ACLU except when they mess up some Christmas play simply because little Suzy Whiner is atheist and her activist Daddy doesn't want the play to bring up any mention of religion even when its a cultural issue rather than a religious one.
I remember when I was in school, and we tried to put on a Christmas play. Suddenly, Nadine Strossen ran in, personally kicked the guy playing Santa in the nuts, screamed, "THERE IS NO GOD!", and ran back out, leaving a trail of crying children in her wake.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 15 of 199 (383171)
02-07-2007 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by petrophysics1
02-07-2007 9:43 AM


This is simply untrue and was not the origional intent of the Constitution. You and I and the ACLU all know that clause was inserted to prevent the establishment of a Federal( US) church. Let's stop pretending otherwise.
Don't forget the Supreme Court and Congress! They're all pretending, too!
In fact, the entire history of constitutional law has been one big game of make believe, that got a little out of hand. Sorry, folks. It started when Thomas Jefferson put a towel around his neck, and ran around the living room like Superman... from there, it just sorta snowballed.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 21 of 199 (383199)
02-07-2007 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Hyroglyphx
02-07-2007 12:58 PM


Re: The ACLU
A little history lesson: The ACLU was founded by Roger Baldwin who made it clear what his intentions for the ACLU and the nation of the United States of America were.
A little more history: In the 1940s, Baldwin denounced communism, and purged the ACLU of all communist members. Don't let that stop your fun, though.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 28 of 199 (383217)
02-07-2007 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Hyroglyphx
02-07-2007 1:46 PM


Re: The ACLU
No he didn't.
Well nuh-uh to you too.
His book, "A New Slavery", is one massive screed against communism. He refers to it as "the inhuman communist police state tyranny." If anyone can read that book and think Baldwin was still communist, there's not a whole lot you can say to them.
He simply went underground with his beliefs to avoid detection from McCarthy's own social cleansing.
Ten years before McCarthyism? Seven years before McCarthy even became a senator? Wow! Not only was Baldwin a godless communist bent on destroying America, he also had pyschic powers!
Cool!
Meanwhile, back in Realityland, the event that tipped Baldwin against communism was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. But again, don't let that stop you. I'm sure it's much more fun to say that he could see through time.

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-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
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Message 32 of 199 (383265)
02-07-2007 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hyroglyphx
02-07-2007 3:45 PM


Re: The ACLU
Crash, wake up please. Of course they aren't going to overtly defend that which is unambiguously criminal.
Those bastards.
Seriously, if you believe this, then what's the problem? Do you think that a case in which the criminality is ambiguous should not have a top-notch defense?
Maybe I'm some radical partisan leftie, but I'm generally of the school of thought that we shouldn't send someone to jail if we're not sure what they did was even a crime.
Edited by Dan Carroll, : No reason given.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 41 of 199 (383290)
02-07-2007 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
02-07-2007 4:47 PM


Re: The ACLU
He supported communism tooth and nail.
While writing screeds against it, and ridding his orginization of all communist members.
That's some fierce support, all right.
If you think the Red Scare began and ended with McCarthy you'd be dead wrong.
I think you said he was hiding from "McCarthy's own social cleansing."
I also think the part of your brain that's supposed to provide statements like, "Oops, I fucked up," blew a fuse somewhere along the lines.
Aside from which, Baldwin even admitted that the best way to present communism in America was his use of free speech, equivocating it with the "class struggle" that typifies communist ideals.
What a monster. He thought speech was a good way to say things.
He didn't abandon communism over the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Rather, he was sickened that the Soviets, who were communists, were collaborating with their arch rivals, fascist Germany.
*rubs temples wearily*
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the treaty through which the Soviets collaborated with Nazi Germany. The statement you just made essentially translates to, "He didn't abandon communism over the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Rather, he was sickened by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact."

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
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Message 100 of 199 (383999)
02-09-2007 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Hyroglyphx
02-09-2007 8:06 AM


Re: The ACLU
I'm not 100% but I think they are making a movie about the case. I'm not certain because I was standing in ckeck out line at a grocery store. That ought to be a sure fire hit. A smell a Grammy cooking up.
Yeah, I bet the soundtrack'll be fantastic.
Damn, NJ. At least get the facts in your lame jokes right.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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