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Author Topic:   Evolution: a red herring?
jar
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Message 106 of 120 (382915)
02-06-2007 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Wounded King
02-06-2007 5:19 AM


mutations are almost always detrimental to the organism
There are many examples of successful selection experiments to enhance specific traits which might be considered beneficial such as longevity , pesticide resistance or differing levels of geotaxis but virtually all mutational screens set out with the specific intention of breaking genetic systems to see how they work.
Isn't there some industry that has as it whole basis the concept of improving things by mutations? It's called Genetic Modification or something?
I know I'm old and slow, but doesn't that show that genes can be changed in ways that are advantageous?
If there are enough examples of genetic mutation that is actually beneficial to the organisms viability to support a whole industry, doesn't that kinda blow the idea that it is impossible out of the water?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 111 of 120 (382940)
02-06-2007 12:41 PM
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02-06-2007 12:35 PM


Re: mutations are almost always detrimental to the organism
What about GM efforts that simply improve disease or predator resistance or that allow something to grow in a different environment?

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jar
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Message 115 of 120 (382947)
02-06-2007 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by EODoc
02-06-2007 12:44 PM


Re: mutations are almost always detrimental to the organism
I am no expert on gene therapy but I think this field is used to correct DEFECTIVE genes which are a result of mutation in the first place.
Yup. You are not an expert. And I was not even talking about Gene Therapy.
Please people, don't get me wrong here. It is not my point to disprove the theory of evolution, I don't believe it can be disproved at this time in our history. I am only trying to get people to see that we are throwing basic scientific principles out the window in order to accept evolution without question.
Of course it can be disproven. So one single example of "Special Creation" and the TOE goes out the window. If a dog ever naturally gave birth to a cat, the TOE goes out the window.
Can anyone here say, without any doubt, that its impossible for the theory of evolution to be wrong?
Of course the Theory of Evolution will change as we gain new insights and information. However it is certainly the best explanation to date for what is seen.
What HAS been proven wrong beyond ANY shadow of a doubt is "Biblical Creation".
I thought the whole purpose of this forum, was to discuss both creation and evolution. It appears as though I am the only one here who doubts evolution so why not just change your forum to the Evolution forum. Is there anyone else out there on the other side of this?
Only the Ignorant doubt Evolution. In the words of the Clergy Project letter:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.
They go on to say:
We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.
Currently over 10,000 US Christian Clergy have endorsed the letter.

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