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Author Topic:   What's the beef with the ACLU?
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Message 12 of 199 (382959)
02-06-2007 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
02-06-2007 12:19 PM


Re: This Post will spark a debate!

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Message 13 of 199 (382963)
02-06-2007 1:45 PM
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02-06-2007 1:41 AM


A few more for your list.

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Message 42 of 199 (383292)
02-07-2007 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
02-07-2007 4:47 PM


What is wrong with Communism?
Jesus would certainly was a communist.
What does any of that have to do with the ACLU?

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Message 51 of 199 (383478)
02-08-2007 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Hyroglyphx
02-08-2007 12:24 PM


Re: The ACLU
They have certain beliefs, listed very prominently on its home page that lists all of its partisan beliefs. There is nothing wrong with partisanship in certain aspects of society, however, the law is not one of them. And contained within each subheading is clearly identified, pro-leftwing beliefs. Are you seriously going to deny that?
Well I am looking at your source and see no "pro-leftwing beliefs".

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Message 52 of 199 (383483)
02-08-2007 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Hyroglyphx
02-08-2007 12:24 PM


Created Equal?
This is true, however, it went against the very Constitution that stated all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights.
Really?
Please point to where that is stated in the Constitution?
Here is the text if you would like to search for the exact phrase.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Good luck finding it in the Constitution.

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Message 66 of 199 (383553)
02-08-2007 3:06 PM
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02-08-2007 2:31 PM


Re: What is wrong with Communism?
Jesus certainly believed in joint ownership of the resources. Admittedly he did subscribe to the manifesto as laid out in Animal Farm that while all critters are equal, some are more equal than others.
You tend to toss things around as though the terms carried any weight. A good example of that is your complaint that the ACLU defended Communists. Well GOOD.
That is the meaning of the American Way. It is not those causes YOU happen to approve of that need defending, it is those very causes you most abhor that we need to defend.

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jar
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Message 96 of 199 (383846)
02-09-2007 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by subbie
02-09-2007 10:46 AM


nemesis brings up the Wrenn Cross for the usual reasons.
Based solely on what nemesis has posted the following things seem obvious:
First, all of his other points were getting soundly refuted time after time.
Second, it moves the goal posts.
Third, it looks on the surface like it might support his position and perhaps he heard some Conservative Commentator mention it.
Fourth, he has not bothered actually reading about the case so he does not realize that
  1. it has nothing to do with the ACLU
  2. it is not a Liberal Conspiracy
  3. it is not an attack on Christianity
  4. it is being handled internally at W&M
  5. it is supported by students, faculty and religious leaders from the community
Fifth, it is another attempt to misdirect the audiences attention so they do not notice him palming the pea.

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jar
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Message 102 of 199 (384025)
02-09-2007 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Hyroglyphx
02-09-2007 7:26 PM


Re: The ACLU
not trying to tear down War memorials because, heaven forbid, there is a cross on site.
Are you talking about the Mojave Cross case?
First, that case has been judged and the Government was found at fault. The Government then tried an end around by transferring the piece of property to a private party using part of the DOD appropriations bill. The Courts caught that them at that shell game trick too.
And by the way, it was not some liberal ACLU plot, but Judges appointed by Republicans, one by Reagan himself.
Do you ever actually check any of the things you post?

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Message 115 of 199 (384068)
02-09-2007 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Hyroglyphx
02-09-2007 9:57 PM


More dancin from NJ
Well, most of that is simply another attempt to misdirect the audience, to palm the pea, con the rube and move the goal posts. It is filled with absurdities and down right falsehoods.
For example:
THEISTIC: Constitutional Republic
What nonsense. Sorry but that is just bullshit.
You are relating to entirely different and unrelated subjects, Theism and a Constitutional Republic.
Then you continue with misdirection:
ATHEISTIC: Socialist Government
Again, there is NO relationship between Atheism and Socialism.
Further, NONE of that has anything to do with Communism.
You continue with misrepresentation, for example bringing in gun control. Get serious. It has NOTHING to do with the subject.
Try for ONCE to address the issue and stop trying to palm the pea, or practice more so you are not so obvious.
And when it comes to gun control, based on your posts you probably shoot about as well as the average cop or SWAT team member. LOL

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jar
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Message 120 of 199 (384080)
02-09-2007 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Hyroglyphx
02-09-2007 11:19 PM


Still playing misdirection.
While you're at it you can name me some Christian communists to give your position even a modicum of truth.
You really can't get anything right can you?
What does Christian Communist have to do with Socialism or Constitutional Republic?
You continually try changing the subject, conflating subjects and seem to think the readers don't notice.
Were you going to actually explain why its bullshit or were you just expecting me to take your word for it?
I did explain, and you even quoted it.
jar writes:
What nonsense. Sorry but that is just bullshit.
You are relating to entirely different and unrelated subjects, Theism and a Constitutional Republic.
A Constitutional Republic has no relationship to theism. It could be secular (the US) or nominally theistic. Trying to link the two together simply by assertion is sophomoric.
Atheism and Socialism are also unrelated. An example of a theistic socialist community would be most monastic orders.
Then there is the attempt to jump to Communism as though anything you posted had jack to do with it, and then went even further by jumping to a Communist Revolution.
You created a parody of Communism. If you wish to discuss it in depth, please start a thread on it. I would love to present some of the work, such as the thoughts and writings of Trotsky.
jar writes:
And when it comes to gun control, based on your posts you probably shoot about as well as the average cop or SWAT team member. LOL
to which NJ replied:
NJ writes:
I honestly don't know what to make of this statement.
Well I've seen cops and SWAT Team members shoot, shot against them quite often. And frankly, the average cop is a LOUSY shot. Your accuracy in addressing topics is about on a par I imagine with the average cops shooting skills.

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Message 127 of 199 (384235)
02-10-2007 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by crashfrog
02-10-2007 3:16 PM


On Boy Scouts
NJ posted:
nj writes:
The reality is that allowing gay men to be a scoutmaster will go against the tenets of a religion, thus discriminating against their beliefs.
to which you replied:
quote:
I don't see the relevance; the Boy Scouts is non-denominational.
Not only are the Boy Scouts non-denominational, it is NOT a tenet of ANY religion that gay men should not be scoutmasters.
Not even all Christian Communions accept homosexuality as a sin.
As usual, nj is trying to assert that the beliefs of some subset of a religion represent the religion as a whole.

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Message 139 of 199 (384396)
02-11-2007 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by macaroniandcheese
02-11-2007 11:57 AM


On Treaties
Treaties stand equal with the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land.

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jar
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Message 145 of 199 (384406)
02-11-2007 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Chiroptera
02-11-2007 12:08 PM


Re: On Treaties
The clause in the Constitution that you are thinking of simply states that the US Constitution, treaties, and regular federal law take precedence over any state law.
Agreed. That is pretty much what I said. Treaties and the Constitution stand at the same level. Laws can be abrogated as can treaties and the Constitution can be amended.
As they stand though they are the Law of the Land.

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