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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
According Davison there is no doubt, that evolution is a fact, but neodarwinism is incapable to account for it.
I am much impressed by Davisons Evolutionary manifesto - one of the most concise critics of darwinism - which was in turn here very criticized. In discussions and threads here in EVC lot of opponents claim that Davison cited Grasse and much more older scientists, who are nowadays out of date.Even there was a remark, that Grasse himself cited some outdated source from 1901! And yet to cite Darwins teaching from midst of 19 c. is still up to date and scientifically correct. It does not matter how old some resource is, because darwinist scientists ignore all facts that do not conform to the neodarwinistic schema. One of these phenomenons are mimicry. Mimetism (or mimicry) was studied very intesive before WW2, yet onthe talkorigins there are no mention of it. Davison cited for instance Punnet, who studied butterflies mimicry and came to the conclusion, that selection is no sufficient explanation to the phenomenon, and to the same conclusion came Heikertinger (who wrotes plenty books on development of insects and whose corresponding with Erich Wasmann on mimicry was once followed by all biological community in Europe. But just try to find something more about Heikertinger on internet. Btw, Heikertinger too dismissed darwinian selection, which according him just remove extremities.) There are plenty of books on mimicry, yet no relaible source of explanation of it. For instance: there are 14 females distinct morphs of African Mocker Swallowtail, Papilio dardanus (males look identical). Most of these female morphs represent Batesian mimicryof distasteful species of Danidae and Acraeidae. Some of them are here:Batesian mimicry in Papilio dardanus According to Nijhout (2003) these represents one of the most puzzling cases of evolution in animal world. What is most interesting is his - Nijhout - darwinian explanation of this phenomenon: big initial mutation and subsequent refinement of these mutations."Initial step in the evolution of mimicry is likely to have been due to a genetic effect of large magnitude". Does not sound this explanation like saltationism, macroevolution?
Page not found | Department of Neurobiology and Behavior
This is very good example, because there is no doubt of same colour patterns on wings of different species of butterfflies and neo-darwinists cannot claims that the likeness is "superficial" (as is the case in the likeness of skeleton (skull) of europian and marsupial wolves mentioned in Manifesto). There is no mention of Swallowtail on talkorigin and no satisfactory explanation of this phenomenon yet, even though the phenomenon is known and cited more than 150 years! ******************Post is now under new topic as "Mimicry and neodarwism", please put any responses there. Edited by MartinV, : There is new thread for this phenomenon - Mimicry and darwinism. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
Hi AdminWounded,
thank you - I put the message to proposed topics under name "Mimicry and neodarwinism". Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
Criticizing darwinism is sometimes weird job. Thanks to administrators at EvC forum I was treated correctly and I was never denigrated here as is the case at ATBC forum. Yet it was me who was banned there. Reason: they considered me to be John Davison in disguise!
Alan Fox wrote me:
The moderator at AtBC seems pretty convinced that you are, in fact, John Davison in disguise. I am sure you could demonstrate that is not the case quite easily if you so wished.
My response:
So I should convince them that I am not John. What else? Should I convince them that Germany and France are different country too?
Or that the sun and the moon are different planets? Maybe they suspect moon to be disguised sun in the night, what do you mean? No wonder when for darwinists also a girraffe is in fact disguised ancient fish. Nobody would persuade them that they are different species. Anyway its hard to support idea that evolution is directed or prescribed when you are treated by morons like moderators on AtBC. Shame on them.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
I don't know if this is the right place to ask the question but anyway: Is it not possible to readmit John Davison to present his views here or in some special thread? Personaly I consider his Manifesto for something that should be discussed as much as possible.
Personaly I did not find yet any complex rebuttal of his claims from Manifesto and on the other hand I found many facts that supports his citations and views presented there (like that of Robert Broom's of end of evolution and R. Punnett's on saltationism in mimicry). I see - discussion with John Davison at EvC some times ago was turbulent one - but was the problem closed, is it really closed for good? Thank you.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
It's a pity John has no full access. I have with John Davison correct experience at ISCID Brainstorm where he was abused in very coarse manner but he did't respond in the same way.
I know myself how hard is it to be correct when you are alone against many - in ATBC forum I became crude at the end because of constatly primitive abuses there. Darwinists at AtBC banned me in the end by pretext I am John (knowing well it's a lie). Yet I admit gladly that moderation on EvC as far as concern me was correct. Neverthenless whether you fully readmit John Davison or not his Manifesto will remain in my eyes the most inspiring anti-darwinistic summary I have ever came across. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
Jar,
John Davison wrote me just now that the showcase thread is closed to him and he cannot post there or anywhere else at EvC. Can you check it please? (Btw I had probably the same or similar problem only a few days ago - I entered my name and correct password in login screen, the name and password were accepted, the login window disappeared and yet on the main window at the left corner was still message - you are not logged. I contacted admin, but problem somehow then disapeared.) Thank you.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
I have been banned on Pharyngula forum by great darwinian "scientist" EZ Myers. He used there old darwinistic tactic (from ATBC - they even recommended him to do so) - he hold me for John Davison's sockpuppet. Again. These illiterate darwinistic atheists have never heard about directed evolution, orthogenesis etc. So they consider all proponets of the idea to be John Davison himself. They are even unable (no wonder, they are just darwinistic simpletons) to check my IP adress. They do not realize that it is from Europe. They are unable to chcek from IP its location.
So no wonder we have to deal with darwinistic simpletons par excellence who use only coarse abuses and ban their oponents. That's all they know. Shame on "Pharyngula" darwinists. Page not found | ScienceBlogs
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein. Take comments to the Moderation Thread. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
The point is not my English. The point is my opinions. They used my grasp of English only as pretext how to get me banned. Just look how they went into details what English I used. Yet some of them compared my posts and John's posts on Brainstorm and ATBC. They compared time etc... Some people there evidently suffer from paranoia. Might be they need that Pharyngula darwinistic thread only for themselves. Some kind of psycho-therapy for neodarwinism-obsessed, you know. They do not like to be disturbed while they are climbing mount of Dawkin's nonsenses improbable.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
quote: Did I break any rule? Which one?Is it forbidden to criticise darwinism on "Pharyngula"? OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein. Take comments to the Moderation Thread. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
English is not easy for me. I do not use it in my everyday life. So I must focus on it in order to use more correctly its structures. If I don't concentrate I just transalate my thoughts like Babelfish, you know.
Yesterday I posted there following post that was completely deleted subsequently. But as far as I can block Pharyngula cookies on my PC I don't see possibility how they can block me to re-post it whenever I like. Of course they can block arriving posts from IP of my inet-provider. But there are lot of available proxies nowadays.
quote: OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein. Take comments to the Moderation Thread. AdminPD Edited by MartinV, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
Audio interview with evolutionist and strong critic of darwinism professor John Davison is available on:
Interview with John A. Davison : Jason Rennie : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive with a direct link to the mp3 file at http://www.archive.org/...Interview/JohnDavisonInterview.mp3
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
I wouldn't believe it but it happens to me either. After Doctor Myers publicised an article on Pharyngula where he criticised with coarse abuses Davison and me (both of us are banned there, we cannot response and defend ourselves there) Doctor Myers somehow managed to shield his pharygula even from browsing. I don't know what dirty tricks he used - I deleted and forbade cookies from scienceblog and even using proxy doesn't help.
Anyway thanks Quetzal and other contributors who confirmed that I am not Davison and banning me under this pretext is false fabrication. Why are darwinists so afraid of theory of orthogenesis (Eimer) or Nomogenesis (Berg) that they have more sympathy to protestant fundamentalist as to those proponents of theories of governed evolution? You can see I haven't abused anybody here as well as there. That's psychological puzzle for me. Btw. many years ago Broom was treated same way as Davison now by both parties. But professor Davison critized in above mentioned radio-interview Pharyngula and people can convince themselves where the true is now.Maybe this is reason why Doctor Myers is so anger. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
Atheist Nietzsche apparently ridiculed contemporary darwinism in his last work
Die Gtzen-Dmmerung - Twilight of the Idols http://www.handprint.com/SC/NIE/GotDamer.html
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
What does a philosopher's opinion on biology matter?
And what does a graduated theologist Darwin's opinion on biology matter? ---- In his finals in January 1831, Darwin performed well in theology and, having scraped through in classics, mathematics and physics, came tenth out of a pass list of 178. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
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MartinV  Suspended Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: |
well first your quote does not say that he graduated as a theologist,
quote: http://users.hol.gr/~dilos/prehis/prerm2.htm
quote: Discover | Natural History Museum
quote: http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/24422.html I don't see why you appreciate more biological opininion of gratuated theologist from mid 19 century more than opinion of prominent linguist and philosopher from the same period. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
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