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Chiroptera
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Message 178 of 200 (382405)
02-04-2007 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Oliver
02-04-2007 2:26 PM


quote:
...I may move on sometime.
Well, when you do move on, I invite you to move onto some of the other threads, where it might be fruitful to discuss some of your other claims.

This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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Chiroptera
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Message 180 of 200 (382408)
02-04-2007 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Oliver
02-04-2007 2:55 PM


Re: Macro-Evo not Science -- This is the topic
quote:
Those 'millions' of years are impossible to account for and we don't even know how it is that we are living on this planet but please, Evolution is not Scientific fact! That I know for sure.
Lots o' threads around here on how we can, in fact, account for those million of years, Oliver, if you are interesting in finding out how. The secret is that the past leaves evidence in the present, and not all possible pasts are consistent with what we know about the present. Go into the Geology Forum, for example, and you will find out why we know, as a fact, that there was no global flood just a few thousand years ago. If there was, it would have left pretty definite traces, but the expected traces have never been found.
If you have more to say about what makes something scientific vs. not scientific, then this is the thread for it. Otherwise, we have a lot of folks around here who would like the chance to discuss these other issues with you (or anyone else, for that matter).
Wonderful place, this board. Be carefull. It can get addicting.

This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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Chiroptera
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Message 184 of 200 (382456)
02-04-2007 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Oliver
02-04-2007 2:55 PM


Oh, and one more thing....
Hi, Oliver.
I can't quite let the following comment go:
quote:
It is very easy and convenient to accept Evolution in a world that does not want a God....
As some will point out, many Christians also accept the theory of evolution; in fact, there are evangelical Christians who accept it. But, not being a Christian myself, I may not be the proper person to discuss this.
More relevant to myself, I'm not sure why you think I don't want a god, but I assure you that even if the theory of evolution were proven false I would not believe in a god. I am an atheist, but my atheism in no way requires me to "believe" in the theory of evolution; they are separate issues for me. At any rate, long ago I started a thread titled Motivation for the non-belief in God; although that thread wasn't intended to deal with this particular question, if you want to discuss what evolution has to do with "a world that does not want a God," then that might be a better place to discuss it than here.

This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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Chiroptera
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Message 190 of 200 (382888)
02-06-2007 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Oliver
02-06-2007 5:30 AM


Hi, Oliver.
I looked at the quoted passage, and I have to admit to being not all that impressed with it. Long on assertian, short on either logical argumentation or factual evidence.
The absurdity of their accusations rests in the FACT that evolution is NOT based upon science, but rather upon unproven speculations.
For one thing, Mr. Stewart doesn't tell what these unproven speculations are. In fact, evolution is based not only on demostrable facts and their logical conclusions, but is supported by continued scientific investigations.
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For example: The evolutionists teach that a giraffe has a long neck because it "evolved" over millions of years as a result of the animal trying to reach the food high up in the trees with it's mouth.
Actually, evolutionists do not claim any such thing. This is closer to Lamarck's theory of evolution (and a very minor part of his theory at that) which no one supports any more. Darwinian evolution is based on the observable facts about populations, variation within populations, and differential survival.
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Evolution CANNOT be repeated, CANNOT be tested, CANNOT be observed....
Again, as stated before, this indicates an ignorance of how these words are used in science. Evolution actually is tested and observed according to the way these words are used in science.
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The only FACT which the evolutionists know for sure about the MISSING LINK is that it is STILL MISSING.
Actually, missing links are being discovered all the time.

This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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Chiroptera
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Message 194 of 200 (382969)
02-06-2007 2:11 PM


Paging EODoc!
In another (now closed thread), EODoc made the following comment:
We cannot even imagine a finding in nature that would disprove evolution.
Since I typed this response during the closing, I wrote the following response (and invited him to this thread):
Sure we can. We can, potentially, find lots of things that should disprove the theory of evolution. The fact that we haven't found any of the evidence that should have disproven evolution is a sign of its strength, not its weakness as a theory. Here is a webpage that describes the evidence that could have falsified evolution but didn't.
My favorite one is the hierarchical classification of species. If common descent were true, we predict that we should see that we should be able to place the species on a hierarchical classification tree (which, of course, corresponds to the phylogenic relationships). If we didn't see such a hierarchical pattern, then evolution would be falsified. In fact, we do see such a classification.
EODoc, you're welcome to continue this point here, on the thread "Why Evolution is science."

This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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Chiroptera
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Message 199 of 200 (383165)
02-07-2007 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Oliver
02-07-2007 5:02 AM


Huh?
What did that have to do with what I posted?

This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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