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Author Topic:   Did Religion Give Birth to Morals?
Open MInd
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Message 1 of 68 (383122)
02-06-2007 10:52 PM


Is there any scientifically proven fact called a moral? Is it possible for a moral to exist outside of religion? No animals are moral. They find nothing wrong with killing for food. They would kill another animal over its mate. Why would humans act with morals from a purely evolutionary perspective? Unless one argues that science is a religion, it seems obvious that the birth of morals is the religions of the world and that religion controls every individual human beings life.

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Open MInd
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Message 14 of 68 (383242)
02-07-2007 2:54 PM


The Origin of Morals.
Many people on this board have tried to correct my statement by saying that human beings are animals. This is a common statement said by nonreligious people. "We all evolved and we can therefore be classified together." However, the idea that religion gave birth to morals comes from a religious perspective. If morals find no place in an evolutionary world than one must look at the world from a religious perspective. The religions are valid and that is the explanation for morality. Many people also claim that the moral world can fit in with the evolutionary world. This opinion is nonsense (in my opinion of course). Morals may be a necessary trait for the human population to survive; however, the feelings in the morals seem to be unexplainable. Do you feel bad after you kill someone? If so why? If you do not get caught, you should think nothing of the incident and even pocket any money that happens to be in the person’s pockets. True stealing is a bad thing for society. However, nobody is thinking of the good of society when they decide not to steal. I pose a question to all of you? Do any of you consider the Nazis to be moral people? They were very polite people and they caused the death of millions of people. Was Hitler a moral person?

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Open MInd
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Message 15 of 68 (383245)
02-07-2007 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
02-07-2007 2:20 PM


Re: Can you post anything on Topic?
Evolution does not make use of intelligence. The whole idea of evolution is to show how life on earth could evolve with no intervention of a supernatural being (with no intelligence). When you say humans act with morals because they want to preserve their population, you are leaving the theory of evolution because human beings act with intelligence. The theory of evolution does not work with intelligence. Rather, many would claim that evolution is not at work today among humans because of the technology that human intelligence has invented. Even the most unfit human beings survive these days. Therefore, intelligence is a contradiction to evolution.

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Open MInd
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Message 28 of 68 (383360)
02-07-2007 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
02-07-2007 3:37 PM


Re: A few FACTS
Your few facts are off topic.

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Open MInd
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Message 59 of 68 (384284)
02-10-2007 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
02-07-2007 3:03 PM


Re: The Origin of Morals.
You said that Hitler was a Christian. This does not answer my question. The question was, was Hitler a moral person? Was the entire Germany acting with morals? On a side note, I have another question. Why should "I" not steal if I would not get caught? It is logical why a whole society should not go around stealing. However, I don't think you can give me one good reason why I should not steal something without the fear of getting caught.

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Open MInd
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Message 60 of 68 (384288)
02-10-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
02-07-2007 3:03 PM


Re: The Origin of Morals.
You continue to claim that you are a very religious person. I challenge you on that claim. Do you believe in a supernatural being that created the world? You can't claim that your morals are not part of your religion because you don't even have a religion!

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Open MInd
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Message 63 of 68 (384294)
02-10-2007 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by jar
02-10-2007 8:10 PM


Re: The Origin of Morals.
I would like to ask you one question, "why" did this supernatural being that you believe in create the world?

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