The Flood

I don't know if they're conspiracys. Their agenda interests override their willingness to do the science of research on what doesn't support their agenda. I think they really have themselves convinced of their own agendas to the point that their minds are closed to rival hypotheses.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

May that as it be, why is it that there is no experiments or evidence to support such ideas?Even if the mainstream science community is narrow minded, that doesn't mean that supporters of creationism can't provide testable evidence. Science has a way of changing when confronted by repeatable experiments showing something very different. But no one has provided a reasonable argument or evidence that suggests that the flood occured. Baumgardner's own theory runs into seriously heat problems and he has admitted himself that it requires a miracle. If creationism had merits why are its supporters requiring divinic support when their arguments fall flat on their faces?Many of us, non-scientists can run the numbers and produce solid arguments that flood never happened abeit without some divinic help that mysteriously left no trace whatsoever.

Hi Obvious Child. You bring up some reasonable points. There have been research done and evidence produced. Biblical floodists apply the research and evidence regarding the Black Sea as supportive to the Biblical account. It's just that we interpret the evidence differently than secularists do. I believe it was NJ who questioned how so much water could do so much in one region. Gravity does not allow water to pile up. It must apply to the entire planet. We also have research and evidence with the chariot wheels at Aqaba along with the corroborating evidence in the region supportive to the Biblical historical account that this is the region to which the Biblical account applies.
. LOL on changing science. I've already provided reasons for this. What is reasonable evidence has a lot to do what ones views are as to what is evidence and what is reasonable. By definition miracle implies illimination of some natural factors for the event to happen: For example, guidance of animals into the ark.I don't believe the heat problem has been soundly refuted since the properties and arragement of the atmosphere in such a canopy preflood model would be unknown.

If that is true why have you NEVER been able to produce even links to any of it? If that is true why have you NEVER been able to produce even links to any of it? If that is true why have you NEVER been able to produce even links to any of it? If that is true why have you NEVER been able to produce even links to any of it?Buz, here is your big opportunity.Simply produce links to ANY evidence that supports ANY of your assertions.If they are true that is.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Hi Obvious Child. You bring up some reasonable points. There have been research done and evidence produced. Biblical floodists apply the research and evidence regarding the Black Sea as supportive to the Biblical account. It's just that we interpret the evidence differently than secularists do

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That isn't true, though, is it ? There's NO evidence from Ryan and Pitman's studies or Ballard's or the later studies that shows that the Black Sea flood significantly extended beyond the Black Sea, is there ?

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We also have research and evidence with the chariot wheels at Aqaba

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No, you don't You don't have ONE definite chariot wheel from Aqaba. And even if you did it has zilch to do with the Black Sea flood event.

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LOL on changing science. I've already provided reasons for this. What is reasonable evidence has a lot to do what ones views are as to what is evidence and what is reasonable.

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If you're really desparate to find evidence to back up your beliefs you might cling to the claims of a fantasist and fraud. But that hardly makes it reasonable. There's enough evidence that Wyatt is highly unreliable and not to be trusted. We've bene over it often enough.

Not at all. There was only some conjecture early on that flood myths in central Asia, including the story told by the Hebrews, might be traced back to the dislocation caused by this event. That's it. I love it when fundies do this--suggest that a person they already know to be a con artist has somehow, completely by accident and in spite of having no interest in doing anything of the sort, made a bona fide archaeological discovery of stupendous proportions that escapes the combined attention of all the experts in the world.Right. And maybe one day Professor Harold Hill, with no practice at all, will wake up and play trumpet like Wynton Marsalis.And they say scientists trust in random chance...__Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Double postEdited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

"Burst" would seem to indicate pressure. And pressure will indefinitely overcome gravity until it subsides. Geysers are a prime example of this.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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There have been research done and evidence produced. Biblical floodists apply the research and evidence regarding the Black Sea as supportive to the Biblical account. It's just that we interpret the evidence differently than secularists do.

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Except the black sea is hardly the mainstream idea of what occured in Genesis. What you're implying is a very different view of literal genesis.

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We also have research and evidence with the chariot wheels at Aqaba along with the corroborating evidence in the region supportive to the Biblical historical account that this is the region to which the Biblical account applies.

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You mean your intepretation of the biblical account which in itself is a rip off of Gilgamesh which clearly has a world wide flood meant to destroy all of mankind.

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What is reasonable evidence has a lot to do what ones views are as to what is evidence and what is reasonable.

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Agreed, but the numbers don't lie here. How you intend to get around the various mathematical problems of a flood is beyond me.

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I don't believe the heat problem has been soundly refuted since the properties and arragement of the atmosphere in such a canopy preflood model would be unknown.

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Because? The atmosphere plays a large role in habitats and the survival of creatures. As genesis would argue no evolution occured, these species therefore couldn't have changed, thus the atmosphere which supported them wouldn't have either. Besides that's not my point. Baumgardner's idea on plate tetonics deals little to nothing with the atmosphere.

You do realize relying upon geysers to produce 200% of the water on earth today results in a heat exchange high enough to kill virtually every living organism yes?

Since no one has been able to substantiate the "water canopy" garbage, I'd say the flood's heat problem still stands.

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If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
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That, of course, is simply nonsense.Do you remember the Oetzi thread?Now Oetzi lived before the Great Wetting that Never Happened. In fact Oetzi was contemporary with Adam. And along with Oetzi, we gained a wealth of information about the land and climate during the time before the Great Wetting that Never Happened.We found samples of meat, of seeds, pollens, wood, deer and bear hides, grasses and a whole host of other materials and items from microscopic to as large as his clothes, from genetic to technological.And guess what?The seeds and pollen and deer hide and bear skin and woods and grasses and even Oetzi himself, the size of his lungs, the size of his bones, the composition of his teeth tell us that the atmosphere before the Great Wetting that Never Happened was just about like the atmosphere after the Great Wetting that Never Happened.Sorry Buz.Anyone who claims there was a world-wide flood is either a liar, willfully ignorant or delusional.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Since several members raised the same point I'll address a point or two as a general response. Some of you people are acting as though I'm trying to allege that Biblical floodists have proof of the Genesis flood. Of course that's not it at all. All I'm saying is that any evidence, regardless of quantity which lends support to Biblical flood is evidence. For example, the Black Sea discoveries do lend support to a significant phenomenal flood which the Genesis Flood certainly was. By the same token that you folks are chiding me, science has yet to prove that the amount of water to do the Black Sea thing did not affect the whole planet. Nor has it been empirically proven that those millions of sea life fossils in the high Rockies et al did not get there via Genesis flood tectonics.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I see nothing empirical there Jar: too many assumptions. Until your argument becomes soundly imperical, we have a viable debate.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Until someone empirically refutes the canopy hypothesis it has not been empirically falsified. There's too many unknowns to say empirically that "this is how it had to be."

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28