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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5591 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The super heated water vapor simply cooled on the dark side of the earth above the atmosphere. Because of the lack of atmospheric pressure the water vapor can not exists as ice but exists as chilled water vapor.
The bible explains the windows of heaven were opened thus answers the atmosphere was opened not in the way to molecularly reheat the chilled water vapor that was returning to the earth as rain, ice, snow, etc... Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Repetition of your postion does not make it any more substantial than the first time you said it.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
sidelined writes: Water vapour can only exist in the atmosphere as a result of the evaporation of water which requires a measureable amount of heat energy in order to accomplish such. Not if it was created intact in such a manner that the conditions were just right for it to remain there until the flood when some change occured to change it. As I said before, the atmosphere was likely much more expansive and different than what is observed today. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dr Jones: "Faith's posts consisted of the fingers-in-her-ears-head-in-the-sand willfull ignorance so typical of religious fundamentalists. Such gems like:"
Faith: "I just don't accept radiocarbon dating but no way to know that I can see since radiocarbon dating is as good as wild guessing." Dr Jones: "This one is great, she admits she's being willfully ignorant:" Faith: "I don't accept carbon dating, never have. It proves nothing. I have said, however, that I don't understand it well enough to discuss it and will concede the point when the discussion gets technical." Dr Jones: "Why would people need to empirically refute her posts? It was her job to refute the evidence given to her with something more substantial than "radiocarbon dating is wrong cause I say so". Dr Jones, 2 things: 1. She is not being willfully ignorant. She admits if when all the tech stuff is out she is willing to concede her position. 2. I, Dr Baumgardner and others have for a long time argued that if there were a different pre-Biblical flood atmosphere carbon and nitrogen properties in the atmosphere and in all preflood fossils et al would not be the same as post flood rendering Carbon dating inaccurate. How many times do you people need to be reminded of this? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
That can work both ways Razd. Also what one may think has been determined doesn't necessarily make it empirically proven.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I, Dr Baumgardner and others have for a long time argued that if there were a different pre-Biblical flood atmosphere carbon and nitrogen properties in the atmosphere and in all preflood fossils et al would not be the same as post flood rendering Carbon dating inaccurate. How many times do you people need to be reminded of this? We have acknowledged you believe that bullshit, but it is simply FALSE, wrong, inaccurate, crap. There is NO evidence there was a Flood, and so NO such thing as a pre-flood atmosphere. We also KNOW as a fact that the atmosphere for the last 10,000 years or so has been basically the same as it is today. As pointed out to you in this very thread, the pollens found with Oetzi show that the atmosphere was the same as it is today. What is it called when someone keeps repeating something that has been shown to be false? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
buzsaw
Not if it was created intact in such a manner that the conditions were just right for it to remain there until the flood when some change occured to change it It does not matter that it be created intact. When it falls as rain it still must release heat in order to become rain. However since you brought it up it remains your problem to solve as to how such conditions came to occur.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4116 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: On the contrary, it looks like you're trying to argue that the flood was a local event that history blew up into a world wide event. That's not surprising as a global flood is scientifically impossible to defend.
quote: Define "great."
quote: And others have refuted you as they have here. Simply saying you've done something despite a history of being proven wrong doesn't make you right.
quote: Like the fact that he admitted his idea requires a miracle? The flood itself has been poked and prodded from virtually every angle here. You're much better off arguing that the black sea had a flood and that was the basis for Gilgamesh which Christanity stole. But since you keep harping about empirically, how about you deal with the massive amounts of empirical experiments, numbers and calculations that refute the flood? Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
She is not being willfully ignorant.
She says that she doesn't beleive it but admits to not knowing anything about it. What do you call that but willfull ignorance?
I, Dr Baumgardner and others have for a long time argued that if there were a different pre-Biblical flood atmosphere carbon and nitrogen properties in the atmosphere and in all preflood fossils et al would not be the same as post flood rendering Carbon dating inaccurate. How many times do you people need to be reminded of this?
They can argue all they want but if they dont have evidence its bullshit. We do have evidence about the past atmosphere and it doesnt support their arguements.
rendering Carbon dating inaccurate. How many times do you people need to be reminded of this?
Carbon dating is not used to date fossils. How many times do you need to be reminded of this? Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4116 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: It doesn't even make sense. If the past atmosphere was different, then the organism today would be different (never mind genesis = no evolution). How they can think that organisms could survive under two extremely different atmospheres and their subsequent effects on the enviroment reeks of ignorance and serious lack of education. It's like taking a polar bear out of the artic and putting in the tropics. HELLO.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
It doesn't even make sense
Of course not, its the curse of religious fundamentalism. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
From your description it sounds like the fundamentalist Christian groups in Taiwan have evolved beyond the original stock.
Is this a demonstration biogeography??? I must confess my complete ignorance of Taiwan until you prompted me to investigate the interesting geology there. Yup, the island of Taiwan of refutes the whole notion of a global flood all by itself. Here in places you have km of limestone based rocks metamorphized and uplifted out of the ocean. This prompts several questions:
I would more easily believe in the theory that God formed in situ to confuse and humble the wise. As a side note, either I have not been paying attention or the people of Taiwan have not done a good job promoting their country. I mean everyone has heard of Mt Fuji but few have heard of Jade Mountain. Hope to someday visit.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4116 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Of course.
You'd think they would get the picture after corollating fossils of huge insects with massive amounts of oxygen in ice cores from the same time period. [sarcasm]I wonder if atmosphere plays a role in what organisms are around![/sarcasm] Geez...
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: To answer the last first - we don't know that it happened anything like that quickly. There's signfiicant evidence that it did not. That is the FASTEST of the estimates, and one that is probably way too fast. The other two points are null. Noah's flood according to the Bible is far more rapid and widespread and certainly not dominated by a single point of infill flowing into a depression - and it certainly didn't last up until the present day ! The Black Sea Flood event - if it even happened (and it probably didn't) - does not bear any signficiant resemblance to the Bible story other than being a big flood.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: But it didn't stop her categorically declaring that radiocarbon dating didn't work, did it ? So I think you mean that she admits her ignorance only when she needs to find a way out of supporting her false assertions.
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