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Author Topic:   Conventionalism is Dead - Society does NOT determine what is moral.
Doddy
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Message 4 of 113 (385665)
02-16-2007 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
02-16-2007 5:37 PM


prophex writes:

We are born with the ability to know what is right. We do not determine what is moral through societal majorities.

If this is true, why is it that different societies have different codes of morals and ethics? Or do you deny that this occurs?


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Doddy
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Message 57 of 113 (385785)
02-17-2007 4:41 AM
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02-16-2007 10:31 PM


I'm confused
prophex writes:

They are not educated. They live in ignorance and sometimes expound it for their own benefit.

Why should they need an education? You mean they need to learn their morals? I thought you said

prophex writes:

We are born with the ability to know what is right.


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Doddy
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Message 58 of 113 (385786)
02-17-2007 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by joshua221
02-16-2007 10:54 PM


More confused
Prophex writes:

A dilemma such as this forces you to put a "value" on human life. Something that is extremely crude and lowly.

Firstly, are you referring to human life being crude and lowly, or moral dilemmas being crude and lowly?

Regardless, you seem to be asserting here that humans do not have an inherent value. But then before you said:

prophex writes:

It isn't just because humans each have a dignity that should not be violated. All humans are each unique and special, different.

to value: judge the worth of something

dignity: nobility or elevation of character; worthiness

Looks to me like you have already placed a value on human life.


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