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johnfolton 
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Message 181 of 188 (385788)
02-17-2007 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by iceage
02-15-2007 10:47 PM


Re: Shear Waves
I honestly don't know how one can be a YEC flood advocate and not be troll or a devil advocate.

Funny thing I started out an OEC flood advocate but because of the lack of evidence here at EVC started debating as an YEC.

Its kind of funny there is such a lack of evidence supporting an old earth and sometimes feel like I'm the spider and the evolutionists the fly.

I don't mean to but everything is so circular that no matter what the evolutionists says, it only feeds a young earth, the world flood.

I've apparently outgrown EVC and agree its futile to debate because for some reason I've become the spider and the evolutionists the fly.

Perhaps a troll is someone that simply outgrows the debate and it truely is futile for both the spider and the fly.

Wish you all well in Christ,

Charley

P.S. I'd like to thank Ned for his support in keeping the bulk of them evolutionists from hounding me this last year with his warnings and such. Perhaps I'll find some time now to read the bible given how much you all got my nose into it to support the scriptures. It was better than most bible studies given the other Christians here's input in respect to the scriptures.


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Nighttrain
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Message 182 of 188 (385792)
02-17-2007 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Coragyps
02-15-2007 8:30 PM


Re: Telling the Truth
say plumbers had to only know two things, shit goes downhill and payday's on Friday.

Three things. Those, and "don't bite your fingernails."

Four, actually, You left out 'forgot a part and have to go back to the shop'. :D


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Message 183 of 188 (385793)
02-17-2007 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by johnfolton
02-17-2007 5:18 AM


To be ore not to be
Dammit, Charley, don`t leave. I want an explanation for those masses of heavy minerals distributed through sedimentary layers. Especially those sitting on top.
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Message 184 of 188 (385814)
02-17-2007 10:04 AM
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02-17-2007 5:18 AM


Re: Shear Waves
Its kind of funny there is such a lack of evidence supporting an old earth and sometimes feel like I'm the spider and the evolutionists the fly.

Which, of course, was why you could never get past the Lake Suigetsu varves to deal with the rest of the data on the age of the earth ... you kept tying yourself up thinking you had a fly?

Perhaps a troll is someone that simply outgrows the debate and it truely is futile for both the spider and the fly.

Or is just someone who never really fully engages the evidence, but flirts around it: more like a moth to a candle, eh? (Can't get too close now, might get burned).

Enjoy.


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iceage 
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Message 185 of 188 (385834)
02-17-2007 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by johnfolton
02-17-2007 5:18 AM


Old Earth Evidences
Charley writes:

but because of the lack of evidence here at EVC

I don't see you debating but invoking increasing improbable explanations for evidence and avoiding the hard questions.

Lack of evidence for old earth? You mean things like:

  • Varves with pollen layers at each striation.

  • Lava layers with ancient soils between flows. (i have sitting on desk here fossilized wood found between layers of Columbia plateau flows)

  • Angular unconformity's (my favorite as they can be observed directly and do not require much interpretation)

  • Ice cores data with correlated known volcanic events.

  • Huge (really huge) deposits of microfossils (limestone,diotomaceous chert, chalk)

  • Huge deposits of sand. (sand is the result of weathering and working of formally solid formations, requiring long long times to form and accumulate)

  • Fossil separation or sorting (eg. dinosaurs never mix with large mammals, Ichthyosaurs never mix with whales, etc).

  • Overthrust formations

  • River meanders (especially those incised thru solid rock)

  • Large and extensive river potholes (many of these exist where I live)

  • Ice age formations and evidence requiring long time (at least from a YEC perspective) to develop and form. I live next to a lake that was gouged below sea level via the last ice age.)

  • Independent dating correlations

  • Large granitic batholyths intruded into sedimentary formations.

  • Complex surface geology worldwide

    To explain these via a YEC model require improbable if not supernatural explanations.

    The above are not only good counter arguments to YEC but are falsification observations.

    The above are like finding primate bones within the ribcage of a carnivorous dinosaur or finding a stone point stuck in the bone of dinosaur as means to discredit current understanding of old earth.

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    Edited by iceage, : Made subtitle more appropriate.


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    Message 186 of 188 (385874)
    02-17-2007 7:18 PM
    Reply to: Message 184 by RAZD
    02-17-2007 10:04 AM


    Re: Shear Waves
    quote:
    Or is just someone who never really fully engages the evidence, but flirts around it: more like a moth to a candle, eh? (Can't get too close now, might get burned).

    Well that is the strategy. Style over substance. I'm currently dealing with a creationist who posts on science ignorant forums and challenged him to come here. He refuses. He's smart enough to know that he cannot survive a substance over style debate.


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    Message 187 of 188 (385929)
    02-18-2007 9:26 AM
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    02-17-2007 7:18 PM


    Re: Shear lunacy?
    He's smart enough to know that he cannot survive a substance over style debate.

    And deluded enough to think he can ignore it and thus make the big pink elephant in the room go away?

    Of course I think all flood proponents are delusional .... (ducks)

    LOL


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    Message 188 of 188 (385983)
    02-18-2007 6:14 PM
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    02-18-2007 9:26 AM


    Re: Shear lunacy?
    quote:
    And deluded enough to think he can ignore it and thus make the big pink elephant in the room go away?

    No, just deluded enough to think that people won't notice that he's engaging in that strategy. I've challenged numerous style over substance creationists to post here. The second they get a look at the people they refuse to post.


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