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wj
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Message 61 of 68 (18923)
10-02-2002 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by mark24
10-02-2002 6:52 PM


Don't go dragging my into your argument Mark. Anyone with a Masters in geology and using Hovind as a source is obviously too well informed to be persuaded by evidence such as Morton's 26 locations having the complete, intact geologic column.

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Message 62 of 68 (18934)
10-02-2002 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by wj
10-02-2002 9:33 PM


"Don't go dragging my into your argument Mark. Anyone with a Masters in geology and using Hovind as a source is obviously too well informed to be persuaded by evidence such as Morton's 26 locations having the complete, intact geologic column. "
--Must be! His vocabulary has already astounded & sent me into 'aww', not to mention a droopy little jaw.
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edge
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Message 63 of 68 (18947)
10-03-2002 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by akakscase
10-02-2002 6:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by akakscase:
OK, edge it is clear that not only are you firmly rooted in your beliefs of on old earth, but you also will not use a persons WHOLE answer as a quote. (Fragements answer I said was a theory, not fact as you posted it as)
No, I wouldn't call it even a theory, much less a fact. The point is that you believe this nonsense. Or at least you believe is is possible.
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Next, The "COMPLETE GEOLOGIC COLLUMN" doesn't exist anywhere in this world except text books and imagination.
I guess the others have shown you the error of this statement adequately.
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YOU can take all the strata you want and shuffle it any way you want, but you still won't have a complete geologic collumn.
I note that you have not answered my challenge to find anyone (other than professional creationists) who says that there should be a complete geological column anywhere. Why not?
quote:
Why? Because the strata used for it was pulled from too many places, too far removed from each other to be viable.
Again, who says so? Plenty of trained people think that the correlations are valid.
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That's like taking an eskimo skeleton from northern canada and putting a chimpanzees head on it, then calling it the missing link. Think about it for a while.
Okay, I've thought about it. Kind of a silly thing for a creationist to do. Now what?
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BTW The fratures in edge mentioned, are the wrong type, or part of the canyon itself so I must ask. him. What is it, fracture or erosion. You can't use both feasably and come up with the same answer.
You mean fractures cannot be eroded? This is getting more and more bizarre.

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Message 64 of 68 (18949)
10-03-2002 1:28 AM
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10-03-2002 1:07 AM


quote:
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Next, The "COMPLETE GEOLOGIC COLLUMN" doesn't exist anywhere in this world except text books and imagination.
I guess the others have shown you the error of this statement adequately.
Edge, in a sense, I do agree with his statement (see message 48, and critique if you wish).
The "geologic column" that he is talking about, is a summary illustration. It gives time divisions and durations. It really gives no information on geology (the rocks) in itself.
That said, Morton indeed does supply many geologic sections ("geologic columns", heavy on the "quotes") that are piles containing representatives of all the periods. These are all different sections ("columns"), made up of different rocks.
There is (of course) no such thing as a "universal" section. Maybe such a "universal" section, the same all over the world, would be what we would expect to see, if we had a nice, uncomplicated, young earth. But the real earth is old and complicated.
Moose

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edge
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Message 65 of 68 (19011)
10-03-2002 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Minnemooseus
10-03-2002 1:28 AM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Edge, in a sense, I do agree with his statement (see message 48, and critique if you wish).
The "geologic column" that he is talking about, is a summary illustration.
Correct. I am not sure that AK or most other creationists understand this.
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It gives time divisions and durations. It really gives no information on geology (the rocks) in itself.
It is basically a time scale. There is no geological axiom that says rocks of all ages must be present at any given location. Having said that, there are some places where the column is remarkably complete.

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Message 66 of 68 (38530)
05-01-2003 2:24 AM


A bump too late
Well, NosyNed got a new topic started, before I could track down and bump this one. The new one's at http://EvC Forum: Mt St Helen's -->EvC Forum: Mt St Helen's
We'll see, maybe I'll close this one.
Adminnemooseus

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Message 67 of 68 (38532)
05-01-2003 2:36 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Adminnemooseus
05-01-2003 2:24 AM


Re: A bump too late
Sorry I looked around and didn't see it.
Can you move my note to the end of this one? BBC should read over it before carrying on.
But we should split mt st helens and the geologic column in any case.
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Message 68 of 68 (38617)
05-01-2003 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Adminnemooseus
05-01-2003 2:24 AM


Re: A bump too late - Closing Topic
quote:
Well, NosyNed got a new topic started, before I could track down and bump this one. The new one's at http://EvC Forum: Mt St Helen's -->EvC Forum: Mt St Helen's
I'll let the new Mt. Saint Helens topic take over, and close this one. I'll also post 1 or more links at the new MSH topic, back to this one.
Adminnemooseus
ps from the non-admin mode:
I do think that Edge and I did make some very good points about the "geologic column", in the later part of this topic. I believe that those points have not appeared anywhere else.
minnemooseus

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