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Author Topic:   Lie after Lie (Mother Jones - The Bush War Timeline)
jar
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Message 5 of 46 (365186)
11-21-2006 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by IrishRockhound
11-20-2006 4:26 PM


The silence is deafening
I'm sorry but I must apologize for Americans. As you mentioned, working through the mass of data does take time. Becoming an Informed Citizen is work. Far to many Americans do not feel it is their responsibility to do that work.
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jar
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Message 27 of 46 (386932)
02-24-2007 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Hyroglyphx
02-24-2007 1:00 PM


It was a unanimous decision to depose Hussein because he was a maniacal dictator that expressed his hatred for anything Western.
I'm sorry but that is simply not true, not even close to being true.
First, Iraq was without a doubt one of the most westernized of Arab countries before the US invaded. Far from hating the west, Iraq adopted much of western culture and was the most secular of the Middle Eastern nations.
Second, you go on to post a link to a propaganda flick that simply continues to distort the truth. Since the Administration withheld information and distorted the intelligence give to Congress, it is absurd to then later say "They went along."
Those in Congress who supported the decision did so only because they trusted that the Administration was not lying to them. Unfortunately it is now obvious to everyone that the Administration did just that, lie to the Congress and the American people.
The claim is that Iraq is really about oil, which completely explains why gas prices are so high
I'm sorry, that is simply not true. Only someone as stupid as our current President would believe something that silly. If the goal was oil then Bush truly was a double idiot for continuing to Baghdad.
The most plausible scenario offered by a high ranking Iraqi defector, is that remaining weaponry was smuggled out of Iraq in to Syria.
Only someone a stupid as the current Administration was not aware that that was the most likely result of any WMDs if they did exist long before the invasion.
Now, I do believe that even Bush here was a bit of a pawn.
I'm sorry, but we are speaking of the President of the United States. If that is true he definitely should be impeached.
Whether Iraq was a good idea or not, we are there now and it would be incredibly irresponsible to simply leave without the fledgling Iraqi government able to support its own weight.
That, my friend, should have been considered BEFORE the stupid invasion.
Granted we are in this mess and we have few options. Unfortunately though there have been zero credible plans presented to dealing with the issue.
In the long run, only the Iraqis can solve the problem.

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jar
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Message 36 of 46 (387043)
02-25-2007 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Hyroglyphx
02-25-2007 11:59 AM


How would it be worse?
With that said, I remain firm that what's done is done and we can't change history. But if we were to pull out at this point the condition would be worse off than an effort for stabilization.
How would it be worse if we were to simply pull out now?

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Message 46 of 46 (391493)
03-25-2007 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by nator
03-25-2007 10:10 AM


Halliburton's move to Dubai?
Halliburton's move to Dubai has less to do with the Bush lies than with taxes and profit. By moving their headquarters to Dubai Haliburton will save several hundred million dollars a year in taxes, particularly on the taxes based on revenues of US Government contracts.
It's nice. I have to pay taxes on my Social Security but Haliburton gets to avoid paying taxes on the $18,000,000,000.00 or so in US Government Contracts.

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