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Coragyps
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Message 16 of 77 (386937)
02-24-2007 9:01 PM
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02-24-2007 8:22 PM


Re: Who is not a descendant af Adam? :: I'm not
JM - Look at Answers's posts over the last weeks.
Or look up Poe's Law at Wacki...er... Wikipedia.

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Message 17 of 77 (386941)
02-24-2007 9:50 PM


quote:
Darwin Central
Poe's Law
Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.
"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.
So... I s'pose you two think you're funny, eh? Well, you all had me ... and now I look like a fool .
Never again!
Max
Edited by Jonicus Maximus, : Coding

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Message 18 of 77 (386945)
02-24-2007 10:27 PM
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Don't feel bad, Max: Landover Baptist had me going for hours when I first discovered it.

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Message 19 of 77 (386967)
02-25-2007 1:40 AM
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02-24-2007 9:50 PM


Apology and retraction.
I have to apologize and retract my contention that the only logical way to have built the great pyramid is from the top down. I recently drove by a construction site in which the "tilt-up" construction method was being used. (You can google on "tilt-up construction" or tilt-slab construction" to see how this very common construction technique works.) I immediately realized that it would have been quite logical and efficient to have built the pyramids on their sides and tilt them up into position. This immediately explains away the great mystery of how the huge capstones were put into place. I still am convinced that the great pyramid was built using the top-down construction technique, but I am quite sure now that the temple at Karnak and the Parthenon were built on their sides and tipped up into place. Its amazing what you can do with 20,000 slaves and a little bit of rope.
You're a loon.
It should perhaps have been obvious to you from Herepton's OP that this whole thread is a loony-bin. He posits that the construction of ascending passages or stairways requires mysterious divine knowledge held only by a small coven of brethren. Like maybe Prometheus' brother, Mordicaieus, stole the plans for ascending staircases from the gods and gave them to man. This would explain why the multistory buildings built by the ancients were so short: all the floors were at ground level and connected by horizontal stairways.
These new considerations will unfortunately delay the publication of my book since I want to include all rational explanations. I am 100 percent for teaching the controversy.
May you find peace everlasting. Regards, AnInGe

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Message 20 of 77 (387022)
02-25-2007 11:23 AM
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02-23-2007 4:17 PM


Who built the pyramids?
Based on the above evidence we conclude that the Great Pyramid was built by persons with ultra-intellect (= descendants of Adam) and all the others are failed attempted copies built by North African sun worshippers.
I think I know where you are going with this. In the second chapter of Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus writes of Seth and his contemporaries:
"They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars, the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day." -Flavius Josephus
Siriad is the Biblical rendering of modern day Egypt. This raised question as to what exactly Josephus is referring to when he speaks of two pillars, one brick and the other of stone. Naturally, the first thing that comes to mind is the pyramids, but more specifically, the pyramid at Giza. But if this passage, which is rather cryptic, is all that we have to go by, I see no compelling reason to assume that the pyramids are what Josephus is mentioning. For one thing, the pyramids are replete with heiroglyphics. Is there any reason to assume that Seth and his contemporaries, who date back at about 5,600 years ago, used heiroglyphs to spread this information about them? Any Egyptologist would staunchly disagree.
I must admit, however, that when I first read this passage about two years ago in Antiquities, it immediately aroused my curiosity because I knew that Siriad meant Egypt. This caused me to later follow up on it. I checked the web and found scant evidence of any corroboration. I did, however, find a small discourse on it written by Alexander Winslow. I will allow Winslow to present his case and we can go from there.
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : typo
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : typo

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Message 21 of 77 (387051)
02-25-2007 5:57 PM
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02-25-2007 11:23 AM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
For one thing, the pyramids are replete with heiroglyphics.
Negative.
The Great Pyramid contains no heiroglyphics within, unlike all the others. Since it became a tourist attraction it has been vandalized.
Again, the GP stands alone.
Ray

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Message 22 of 77 (387052)
02-25-2007 5:59 PM
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02-25-2007 11:23 AM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
double post; content deleted - sorry.
Ray
Edited by Herepton, : No reason given.

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Message 23 of 77 (387056)
02-25-2007 6:32 PM
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02-25-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
The Great Pyramid contains no heiroglyphics within, unlike all the others. Since it became a tourist attraction it has been vandalized.
No heirolgyphs inside? How about on it? Because Josephus claimed that Seth and his immediate descendants and contemporaries inscribed their knowledge, particularly astronomical discoveries, on the pillars. Or are you saying that Josephus' account has nothing to do with what you are mentioning?
Again, the GP stands alone.
I'm unclear on what exactly the point is. You give a small description concerning the differences between the interior of the pyramids compared to the interior of other Egyptian structures. And then you say that it must have been built by ultra-intelligent descendants of Adam. For starters, every one is a descendant of Adam, be they ultra-smart or ultra-stupid. So that premise is moot. Secondly, you haven't explained why you think it is, presumably, direct descendants of Adam.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a Bible student and I have no aversion to something like this if it is true. But if such an investigation is to shed any light on the subject, I think we need to find some qualifiers for it. What exactly has led you to this conclusion?

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Message 24 of 77 (387058)
02-25-2007 6:39 PM
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02-23-2007 9:58 PM


Re: A timeline
Kuresu:
Adam was dark-skinned or black. The mark of Cain was "whiteness."
Ray

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Message 25 of 77 (387059)
02-25-2007 6:43 PM
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Re: Who built the pyramids?
I will answer your post tomorrow.
Look forward to your reply.
Ray

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Message 26 of 77 (387062)
02-25-2007 7:28 PM
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02-25-2007 6:39 PM


Re: A timeline
Adam was dark-skinned or black. The mark of Cain was "whiteness."
Hmmmmm? This sounds like Nation of Islam propaganda. Oh wait, my bad... White people were created in by a mad scientist named Yacub 6,000 years in a failed experiment.
I don't think we have any idea what the mark of Cain was, however, the first people's likely were dark since being white means less pigmentation in skin cells.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Message 27 of 77 (387065)
02-25-2007 7:41 PM
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02-25-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
The Great Pyramid contains no heiroglyphics within, unlike all the others. Since it became a tourist attraction it has been vandalized.
Again, the GP stands alone.
This is incorrect. The relief zones above the King's Chamber--these are empty areas meant to relieve the amount of weight resting on the main chamber--are filled with ancient graffiti. The King's name (Khufu) is one of the things written here. These scribblings are not recent.
Besides, in my own opinion, the Great Pyramid is not finished; a fact attested to by the roughed subterranean chamber. It's my guess that simply building the pyramid was enough work for them. And there is even some evidence the King's body may have been buried in a nearby mastaba and not in the pyramid itself.
Max

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Message 28 of 77 (387079)
02-25-2007 10:22 PM
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02-25-2007 6:39 PM


Re: A timeline
I'm so glad you focused solely on a single point of my post, and did not even disagree with the rest of it.
care to actually address the meat of my post?

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Message 29 of 77 (387168)
02-26-2007 5:57 PM
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02-25-2007 6:32 PM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
No heirolgyphs inside? How about on it?
None at all unlike all the other pyramids in Egypt.
The only "exception" is SCANT writing above the King's Chamber. This "writing" has been proven a forgery.
The rest of the Great Pyramid had zero writings on any of its interior walls or passages or chamber walls.
Again, how does a person explain this compared to all the other pyramids WHICH ARE COVERED WITH WRITINGS?
Concerning the exterior there is a very small area of writing above the entrance which was originally part of the interior UNTIL the outer casing stones were removed by Muslims over the centuries to build their Mosques in and around the Middle East.
In toto the GP covers 13-1/2 acres and NO heiroglyphics found. All other pyramids are literally covered from head to toe.
Because Josephus claimed that Seth and his immediate descendants and contemporaries inscribed their knowledge, particularly astronomical discoveries, on the pillars. Or are you saying that Josephus' account has nothing to do with what you are mentioning?
Josephus did say what you have him saying above.
Josephus SAID that Sethites left two monuments; one made of brick (not in existence anymore) and the other made of stone in the land of Siriad. The latter is referring to the GP.
Josephus was not talking about bas-reliefs or inscriptions per se, he was talking about structures. Josephus is good evidence for the real builders of the GP. The GP existed before Egyptian civilization was founded. Thus far the evidence of the interior not matching any other pyramid and the evidence of no heiroglyphics unlike the others; and Josephus identifying the real builders falsifies the ridiculous assertions of atheist Egyptologists who are also Darwinists.
You give a small description concerning the differences between the interior of the pyramids compared to the interior of other Egyptian structures.
The interior differences are massive. The GP has ascending passges; the rest have NONE. The GP has no heiroglyphics and the rest are literally covered. Thus far, these two points alone support my contention that the GP was not built by Egyptian intellect - do you agree?
And then you say that it must have been built by ultra-intelligent descendants of Adam. For starters, every one is a descendant of Adam....
Not according the evolutionists. They believe Adam never existed and that mankind descended from an ape ancestor. How did persons in 12,000 to 2,500 BC, that is persons who just emerged from the so called Stone Age build the Seventh Wonder of the World?
You can't have "cave men" and their immediate relatives suddenly building a world wonder as evolution says. The Bible says mankind BEGAN ultra-intelligent (Adam). The GP falsifies the evolutionary scenario and supports the Biblical scenario for the origin of mankind.
Secondly, you haven't explained why you think it is, presumably, direct descendants of Adam.
Based on what Josephus said and based on the Egyptian Book of the Dead calling the GP "the pillar of Enoch"; and based on other massive evidence we know the GP was built by Enoch.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a Bible student and I have no aversion to something like this if it is true. But if such an investigation is to shed any light on the subject, I think we need to find some qualifiers for it. What exactly has led you to this conclusion?
Glad you asked.
Foundational CLAIMS of the Bible:
1. Mankind is on a downward path to hell under the influence of Satan since the Fall of Adam & Eve.
2. The first attempt by God to save mankind from this downward path was the revelation of Mosaic Law; typified by deliverance from Egypt; miracle of the Red Sea parting.
3. The next attempt is the death and Resurrection of Christ and the age of grace and freedom from the law and the Church age.
Great Pyramid of Giza Research Association
The above link will SHOW the above claims; "written" in the physical passage ways. All you need is someone to point it out to you as I am now going to do.
Find point #1 and point #14.
These two points correspond to the long descending passage; and they typify mankinds descent into the pit (hell) under the influence of Satan. When we extend the passage out into space it directly intersects with the Dragon Star also known as Thuban. THIS star WAS the North Star WHEN the GP was built and it is the only north star which aligns to the passage way.
Find point #4 on the descending passage. This point marks "scored lines" engraved into the passage wall counter to the grain of the masonry. This told archaeologists that the builder wanted to mark something since the lines could have no other meaning. When we extend these lines out into space they intersect with the Pleiades and Orion mentioned in the book of Job.
Scholars then wondered; WHEN did Thuban and Orion intersect with their respective markings in the GP?
British astronomical authorities have determined that ONLY IN 2141 BC did Thuban perfectly align with the descending passage and Orion align with the scored lines; therefore, scholars concluded that point #4 = 2141 BC.
2141 BC becomes a benchmark date. We are not saying anything significant happened on this date; rather we are saying that this date becomes the starting point of a prophetic chronology.
Thus far, though, we have the Biblical claim of mankind on a downward slide to hell under the influence of Satan corroborated.
Find point #5.
This point is where the first ascending passage extends out from the descending passage; and the passage typifies the rescue of the Hebrews from Egypt's bondage. Please notice a blackened area at the mouth of the ascending passage. This denotes 3 granite plugs blocking the passage and they are still there today. We know this because early explorers blasted their way around them. These three plugs typify that mankind cannot begin an upward walk with God via Mosaic Law unless a miracle of deliverance takes place (parting of the Red Sea).
When we assign a pyramid inch to equal one year and measure the number of inches from point #5, that is, from the benchmark date of 2141 BC the length between that date and the opening of the first ascending passage comes out to 1453 BC. Biblical scholars have always said that the Exodus, according to Biblical chronology occurred around 1446 BC. But the evidence here says it happened in 1453 BC. The GP tells us the true date because of how it was determined, in any case the mid-15th century is CONFIRMED.
A pyramid inch = 1,000th of an inch longer than the British inch = the true length of the British inch which has lost 1,000th over the centuries.
A pyramid inch = 1,500,000,000; that is one five hundred millionth of the polar diameter of the Earth. Based on NASA determination of the polar diameter of the Earth; and if we break that length into 500,000,000 equal parts = 1,000th of an inch longer than the current British inch. This is actually called the polar diameter inch. This is the inch we are talking about = the pyramid inch. The point is that the only measuring unit which fits the GP is the polar diameter inch which is only one thousandth of an inch longer than the accepted British inch today.
How did Britain get the polar diameter inch and how did the builders of the GP know the exact polar dimensions of a "flat earth" in ancient Egypt?
It is the best evidence proving that the so called Lost Tribes settled in Britian after escaping Assyrian bondage. But this is another subject.
Go back and acquaint yourself with the first ascending passage. We know it is a narrow passage that a person MUST bend over in order to ascend. This upward climb while stooped over corresponds to mankind's ascent under the rigors of Mosaic Law.
The first ascending passage ends at point #7 or where the next passage dramatically juts upward and where a horizontal passage connects.
If we measure the distance between 2141 BC and where point #7 is; that is where the passage ceases its narrow constraints = 33 AD.
What happpened in 33 AD?
Christ was crucified and Resurrected; typified in the Grand Gallery which is the name of the expanded ascending passage. It also typifies the age of grace; man does not have to stoop under Mosaic law in order to walk with God.
The horizontal Queen's Chamber passage typifies the Jew and their eligibility to always recognize Jesus if they will walk back to the Grand Gallery and walk with God by faith and not by the constraints of law.
The trifold area around point #7; that is the sudden passage expansion is 33 AD if we assign a polar diameter inch to one year. The length of inches between the opening of the first ascending passage and the sudden expansion comes out to 33 AD.
Isaiah 19:19,20
In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Only the GP sits in the middle of the Nile-Delta quadrant, which is ***ALSO*** the border between Upper and Lower Egypt.
http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/his_html/smyth_20.html
pyramid scripture
Imagine that; the height of the GP = the numeric value of the Biblical verses which speaks of it!
Read this link which contains many source cites of evidence presented. I am "WILLOWevcTREE."
Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion Board
The GP is physical evidence of the God of the Bible; didn't know any of this?
How could you since atheists and Darwinists "control" the world?
Ray
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Message 30 of 77 (387195)
02-26-2007 9:20 PM
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02-23-2007 4:17 PM


Only the Great Pyramid has extensive ascending passages and other horizontal passages connected to them.
The remainder have no ascending passages and no network of passages as compared to the Great Pyramid.
The remainder have no ascending passages and no network of passages as compared to the Great Pyramid.
Based on the above evidence we conclude that the Great Pyramid was built by persons with ultra-intellect ...
How did Egypt lose the ability to erect marvelous ascending passages?
It does not take "ultra-intellect" to build sloping passages. It's not rocket science. Nor is it particularly "marvellous". There are lots of sloping passages in the world. There are others in Egypt: the use of sloping passages did not die out:
The Theban tombs of the 18th Dynasty are composed of three main architectural elements : a courtyard, a rock-cut chapel intended for the funerary cult, and one or several underground chambers where the coffin and the funerary equipment were deposited. These chambers, usually undecorated, are most often accessed by a deep shaft or a sloping passage dug into the hill. *

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