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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
quote: Einstein + bacteria DNA = organic computer breakthrough | Science | The Guardian Not sure if this belongs here, but it's very intriguing. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Star Trek the next generation told us about this possibility almost 20 years ago. The klingon spies are known for hiding top secret informations in their DNA.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
On the same line of thought, Species 8472 from Star Trek Voyager uses organic technology completely with an organic brain as a living computer. This was introduced about a decade ago.
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
quote: This won't help the claim by creationists that mutations can't add information, or occur to slowly, or are corrected too efficiently, to drive evolution. "Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer
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Lithodid-Man Member (Idle past 2952 days) Posts: 504 From: Juneau, Alaska, USA Joined: |
When I read this story what came to my mind is that if this technology becomes common it could have a profoundly negative effect on the development of science in the future IF our species gets set back to basics (say global catastrophe) or even extinct and another species achieves our type of consciousness.
This is kind of in fun, but has some real potential implications. Picture this, In 2008 our civilization completely collapses (War? Plague?). The survivors revert to tiny tribal societies. Ten thousand years later civilization achieves a modern level of technology. Similar to us, but maybe even made a few better decisions. Rationality is the rule of the day, superstition nearly gone. Intelligent design is practically extinct, thought of like flat-Earth. Then some scientists sequencing the genome of some species of wild yeast find in code "Bob's mother did the entire histology lab" or some other message. The scientist immediately converts to ID, which spreads like wildfire. See the point? Messages aside, the beauty of genetic sequencing today is that it wholly supports the nested heirarchies and is therefore probably the best evidence of evolution out there. How we would have dealt with discovering obviously manipulated genes (say, I don't know, Atlanteans had reached our level of genetic engineering)? Doctor Bashir: "Of all the stories you told me, which were true and which weren't?" Elim Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true" Doctor Bashir: "Even the lies?" Elim Garak: "Especially the lies"
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Lithodid-Man Member (Idle past 2952 days) Posts: 504 From: Juneau, Alaska, USA Joined: |
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Edited by Lithodid-Man, : After odd computer glitch though message lost but instead posted twice.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Litho, this is why I have been saying for years that IFF certain aspects of life appear designed (and perhaps they very well had been intelligently designed), it does not necessarily mean the judeo-christian god created everything in 6 days. Speaking as a skeptic, I would have no problem believing a technologically advance alien race or perhaps a technologically advance civilization in our distant past was responsible for some genetic manipulation, given there's sufficient evdience for it.
See, this is a major flaw in the logic of the ID movement. Why does it have to be the judeo-christian god that's behind the intelligent design? Why couldn't it be a technologically advance alien race or a technologically advance human civilization in our very distant past?
Picture this, In 2008 our civilization completely collapses (War? Plague?).
Some fundies have said to me that the holocaust never happened because god was too good to allow it to happen. Recently, a very vocal, or rather fingery, EvC fundy told me that jesus is too good to allow such a collapse of civilization to happen. You have to get past this point first.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Litho, here's the problem I see with your suggestion. I think it would be nearly impossible for any future phoenix-like civilization on this planet to be ignorant of the existence of our society. Any catastrophe that would be sufficiently destructive to remove all trace of our existence would probably completely destroy the planet. It certainly would set life back millions of years, not tens of thousands.
Assuming the future civilization is aware of our existence, they might well attribute to us the ability to create the genetic coding that they see, just as we would do were we had evidence of a previously existing advanced civilization.
Taz writes: Emphasis added. I would have no problem believing a technologically advance alien race or perhaps a technologically advance civilization in our distant past was responsible for some genetic manipulation, given there's sufficient evdience for it. I think it virtually impossible that an earlier advanced civilization on this planet would have left no traces behind or that we could miss that evidence. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
I think it virtually impossible that an earlier advanced civilization on this planet would have left no traces behind or that we could miss that evidence. What if they made it that way? Then again, this is completely useless. If there is no observable difference between a planet having a prior civilisation or not having one, then we should accept the more simple answer. "And, lo, a great beast did stand before me, having seven heads, and on each head were there seven mouths, and in each mouth were there seventy times seven teeth. For truly there were seven times seven times seven times seventy teeth, meaning there were. . . okay, carry the three, adding twenty. . . plus that extra tooth on the third mouth of the sixth head. . . Well, there were indeed a great many teeth" - The Revelation of St. Bryce the Long-Winded
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