Standing Alone: the Great Pyramid

I wish I had my book on Egyptian pyramids with me. It shows a layout of the passages in the Step Pyramid at Saqqara (the first "pyramid" of Ancient Egypt). They are not nearly as large as the Great Pyramid, but they are still rather complex. Also, don't forget later tombs and pyramids. Many now exist either in the Valley of the Kings, or as heaps of sand that were once mighty pyramids. These contain writings of all sorts on the walls, something almost completely void in the Great Pyramid. Probably the best reason that the Egyptians could not continue their pyramid building on the scale as seen by Khufu and his children is because of the sheer cost. Imagine the dent that building the worlds most massive structures (at the time and still today) would put in the national wallet of Egypt?Plus, consider how tempting that big white shiny limestone spear with its golden top would be to grave robbers. It became impossible to keep the grave robbers out of places like this; they were just too tempting. Size and power gave way to smaller and more well-hidden tombs, e.g., Valley of the Kings, where the king's body would be much harder to find. And, having all the tombs in one place helps cut down on the amount of security you need to guard them.Now, as for your claim that the pyramids are built by descendants of Adam, it's got no proof. As Kuresu said, the Great Pyramid was one of the last of the mighty pyramids to be built. If the rest were copies, why did most of them come prior to the Great Pyramid? Also, we've seen how North Africans copy the Egyptians' idea: Nubian Pyramids. These Nubian Pyramids (Nubia is south of Ancient Egypt--which extended much farther south than it does today) were built around 2000 years after Khufu by non-Egyptians. If the Egyptians just wanted to keep copying what they had, they could've done it quite easily. The mud mounds that remain of most later pyramids, and the movement to the Valley of the Kings makes it pretty clear that the Egyptians were not very concerned with building large-scale pyramids anymore, and so changed their tune to adjust for security and economy.Max

I hope you are not serious.

ALL the passages leading to the King's Chamber are ascending. The standard pyramid plan at the time was to build a shaft leading down at an angle to a chamber carved out of the ground beneath the pyramid before it was even built. The Great Pyramid used the same scheme, but added the ascending passages and then blocked their entrance with stones.The plan was not a bad one at all. If they would've finished the subterranean chamber, folks may never have thought to search the rest of the pyramid and might have concluded it was already plundered. This was, of course, the goal, to fool people into thinking it was already plundered and thus not waste more time. Word gets out though, and I doubt any of the builders would've hesitated to disclose the real location within the pyramid for a portion of the loot.Max Edited by Jonicus Maximus, : Grammar

You've really spun a yarn this time. There is evidence of ramps leading to other pyramids in Egypt. If they were building it from top down, they wouldn't have needed ramps. Secondly, the pyramid weighs somewhere around 6.5 million tons. I doubt they could've lifted that. I'm not even sure modern machinery could manage to lift that up all in one go.And, even if it were built top down, the passages are still ascending. If you built your house from the top down, would you start saying you are descending the staircase as you go up to the top level? Ascending passages move away from the earth relative to the entrance; descending passages do just the opposite.And lastly, even if you can somehow manage to prove all the things you've said as true, how will the building of the Great Pyramid show evolution to be a "false religion"?Seriously, this is "quacking" me up Max

No, because that method is outrageously difficult and makes no sense. Why did the Egyptians level the ground before beginning the construction? And if they didn't first level the ground, setting the pyramid on uneven land would cause vertical cracks to be running through it wherever the ground bent. The passages are ascending from the perspective of someone entering the pyramid and traveling toward the King's Chamber. You're a loon. I hope you aren't serious. When will this book be published, I cannot wait to get the first copy. Perhaps you can post the section in the book dealing with this subject so we don't have to wait for this debate to continue MaxEdited by Jonicus Maximus, : Okay, Buster Brown, I'm on to you! No more of this teasing :-(

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So... I s'pose you two think you're funny, eh? Well, you all had me ... and now I look like a fool .Never again! MaxEdited by Jonicus Maximus, : Coding

This is incorrect. The relief zones above the King's Chamber--these are empty areas meant to relieve the amount of weight resting on the main chamber--are filled with ancient graffiti. The King's name (Khufu) is one of the things written here. These scribblings are not recent.Besides, in my own opinion, the Great Pyramid is not finished; a fact attested to by the roughed subterranean chamber. It's my guess that simply building the pyramid was enough work for them. And there is even some evidence the King's body may have been buried in a nearby mastaba and not in the pyramid itself.Max

MtDNA evidence says no such thing; unless you believe that human populations were steady, i.e, neither declining or increasing, throughout the world even at their onset. That's not saying anything at all! Perhaps they no longer possess the ability to reproduce the White House... after all, they have yet to do so. I'm not sure exactly where you two are going with this, but the descending shaft in the pyramid does lead directly to the North Star. But this is nothing new, and--had the King been buried in the lowest chamber--it would've served the same function as it did in other pyramids: to send the Pharaoh's body to the North Star, which was seen as indestructible to the Egyptians.Max

The Egyptians were not swamp monkeys! They knew very well how to build ascending passages, and not writing wouldn't 've been as big a problem as you seem to think. It does not require super intellect to make a decision between up and down, and it certainly does not require super intellect to not write. The span you give here is about 10,000 years. This is certainly enough time for civilization to develop. Why do you believe that we can go from Roman Gladiator to the moon in 2000 years, but can't go from caves to pyramids in 10,000? I'd like you to point this out to me. And then, I'd like you to explain what the Book of the Dead is, as I think you are completely full of shit and in no way understanding the Book of the Dead, or what it is for. God's first attempt to "save" mankind was to kill off everyone he didn't like and leave only the ones he did, or do you see a different reason for the Flood than what's given in the Good Book? You do know that RIGHT NEXT to the Great Pyramid there are two other "great" pyramids, the Sphinx, several smaller pyramids, and mastabas galore? The Great Pyramid is not alone, rather it is only one of the larger tombstones in a monumentally large cemetery. Rubbish. If we hunted out other lines and found out when they aligned with a particular star, we'd end up with completely different dates. Now, I know you're a little crazy, but please don't go all Graham Hancock on us! How do you know this passage refers to the border between Upper and Lower Egypt? After all, the words do say "Egypt," leaving out any mention of Upper or Lower. At the time this passage was written, Egypt could've well extended into moder-day Israel. This "pillar" you are talking about could be as far from Egypt as the forests of Lebanon.Max

Au contraire, check out the Bent Pyramid. Do you see the tunnel in that diagram? That's an ascending passage way . Even if all this is true, how can you then make the claim: Seems a little bit of faith is being used to make a leap of that sort. Actually, I didn't ask you so that I could understand, I asked you in order to see if you understand; which because "you are ignorant about basic stuff like the Egyptian Book of the Dead" you clearly have no clue what it's even about. In one sentence, please, tell me what the Egyptian Book of the Dead is all about. If you could enlighten my ignorant trailer-park ass, I would most appreciate it .Max

Bent pyramid? Wow, man, I'm really slow

How is this racist!? Unless you are making the racist assumption that Adam was white. Much like the majority of the people in the area at the time, Adam was probably believed to be rather dark-skinned. I see no connetion between Herepton's post and racism.Max

I've never heard of any getting rid of anyone. There were 10,000 or more people who had worked on the pyramid and most likely new every turn. Getting rid of anyone would be rather stupid. Not only would they need a new architect for the next king (someone who's been trained enough and knows enough to build structures worthy of Pharaonic approval), and they would waist time killing the one person who has the least to gain from giving up the secrets of the pyramids.However, in the later period, during King Valley times, there was a seperate village where the workers lived apart from everyone else. And even that didn't stop looting.Max

This will be going off topic, but. If I say "descendant of Adam" what are you using to determ the race of the descendants? And then "North African." How do you determine the racial differences between Adam and North Africans with knowing only that they exist? Unless you are making a racial generalization that they are of a different race for whatever reason, you simply cannot. Herepton's post in no way implied racism, and the very fact that you made some up has me wondering.Max

What is this rubbish about a "pyramid inch"? You should check out this Wiki-pedia Article

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The greatest blow to the theory was dealt by the great Egyptogist Flinders Petrie (1853-1942), who had initially been a supporter. When Petrie went to Egypt in 1880 to perform new measurements, he found that the pyramid was several feet smaller than previously believed. This so undermined the theory that Petrie rejected it, writing "there is no authentic example, that will bear examination, of the use or existence of any such measure as a ”Pyramid inch,’ or of a cubit of 25.025 British inches."[6]

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So, it would seem all your information is based on false data. I would like to add that aside from Petrie's measurements disproving the "pyramid inch," there is also the issue with the original dimensions of the pyramid. It's much smaller today than it was when it was first built. The entire casing of outer limestone is gone away--technically it was stolen, perhaps by "descendents of Adam." Remnants of the casing can still be seen on the second great pyramid right next to the other one, as well as on other pyramids throughout Egypt. This casing would change your measurements yet again.MaxEdited by Jonicus Maximus, : Grammar