Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,773 Year: 4,030/9,624 Month: 901/974 Week: 228/286 Day: 35/109 Hour: 1/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   where are the WMD?
compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 14 of 78 (38757)
05-02-2003 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by crashfrog
05-02-2003 3:49 AM


crashfrog writes:
Ultimately I think this will raise the standard of living in Iraq.
Yet at what cost (war casualties aside). How many Africans will suffer because of monies being diverted to Iraq? How many additional people will starve because money that would have been used for food aid is now going to be used to rebuild Iraq?
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 13 by crashfrog, posted 05-02-2003 3:49 AM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 15 by crashfrog, posted 05-02-2003 3:05 PM compmage has not replied
 Message 18 by gene90, posted 05-02-2003 7:05 PM compmage has replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 45 of 78 (39108)
05-06-2003 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by gene90
05-02-2003 7:05 PM


gene90 writes:
America doesn't have to send aide to Africa, we can divert funds anywhere we like because it is our money.
Yes, it is your money. You may do with it as you will. I was simply pointing out that those who died as a direct result of this war will most likely not be the only casualties.
However, consider this. Would I be a better person if I attacked an abusive husband in his own home, killing some of his family members in the process. Then spent money I would have used to feed, clothe and educate starving men, women and children in order to repair the damage I had done. Or would it be better the feed, clothe and educate the men, women and children, while searching for alternative solutions to the abusive husband?
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by gene90, posted 05-02-2003 7:05 PM gene90 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 46 by gene90, posted 05-06-2003 6:16 PM compmage has replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 47 of 78 (39119)
05-06-2003 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by gene90
05-06-2003 6:16 PM


gene90 writes:
That's a bad analogy because it grossly overestimates how many Iraqis we killed.
I agree, your analogy works better. Although I would make some changes.
gene90 writes:
Let's say that there is a terrorist in there who has already killed or tortured ten people (my guess) and the rest of them are forbidden to leave, live in fear, and have every aspect of their daily lives ruled by this terrorist. Then you send in a SWAT team to kill the terrorist and one or two hostages is accidentally (and regrettably) killed in the crossfire.
Except that at the time you decide to send in the SWAT team, you already have a negotiator inside and the chance still exists that the situation might be solved without force.
Do you wait to see if the situation can be resolved peacefully or do you send in the SWAT team?
Also, I might add some civilians outside the building also dying (redirection of money).
gene90 writes:
Now as for this money issue. I pointed out to you that it was our money to do as we please, and you agreed. I think though that you missed the implication of that. You have no right to hold that against us because it is indeed our money to distribute (or not distribute) as we choose. You cannot criticize us for redirecting funds because we do not "owe" those funds to anyone.
I am permitted to form an opinion about you based on how you spend your money. What I am not permitted to do is force you to spend it differently.
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by gene90, posted 05-06-2003 6:16 PM gene90 has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 62 by truthlover, posted 06-10-2003 10:32 PM compmage has replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 64 of 78 (42536)
06-11-2003 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by truthlover
06-10-2003 10:32 PM


truthlover writes:
We have been sending food to Africa for fifty years, and starvation has continued for fifty years. Only now the population is greater, so the numbers starving are greater.
This is, unfortunately true, but until the countries in question are able larely support themselves then the only other alternative is letting the people starve. Unless you would rather kill them outright and at least save them the suffering.
truthlover writes:
The one way out of that is to import birth control with food, but apparently we've not been too successful at that.
This is a sticky situation. There are many actions that would help (debt relief, aggricultural assistnace, etc), unfortunately most of these take time to have a possitive effect and aren't always going to do any long term good.
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 62 by truthlover, posted 06-10-2003 10:32 PM truthlover has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 65 by truthlover, posted 06-11-2003 10:46 PM compmage has replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 66 of 78 (42656)
06-12-2003 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by truthlover
06-11-2003 10:46 PM


truthlover writes:
Ummm, you lost me. You said they take time to have a positive effect, but they aren't going to do long term good? Am I missing something?
Let me see, something like debt relief can help IF the government decided to use the extra money they then have in the budget in a contructive way. However if they decided to buy a new presidential jet or otherwise squander the money...
Does that make it clearer.
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 65 by truthlover, posted 06-11-2003 10:46 PM truthlover has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 67 by truthlover, posted 06-12-2003 2:06 PM compmage has replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 69 of 78 (42717)
06-12-2003 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by truthlover
06-12-2003 2:06 PM


truthlover writes:
That makes it lots clearer. Thanks.
I'm glad I could help.
truthlover writes:
I've seen your posts, and you're obviously quite intelligent...
Thank you very much.
Here I was thinking that I 'sound' like an uneducated layperson grasping at straws.
truthlover writes:
...but there were three typos or misspelled words in your sentence, so I wondered if you were drunk when you wrote the post.
If only I could use that as an excuse. I'm afraid that I have always had a problem with spelling. I think it has to do with the fact that I missed most of the ground work as a child (I was in hospital and kept at home, for medical reasons, for most of a year). I try and keep my post error free as much as I can. However, I am currently being retrenched and I might not have been paying as much attention to spelling as I should. There are also differences in official spelling between America (which is were I think you are from) and South Africa.
truthlover writes:
It was very confusing to get a sentence I couldn't understand with misspelled words from compmage, of all people.
I would hope that even when I don't correctly spell a word it is still close enough that you would be able to understand what I was trying to say. However, if this is not the case please don't hesitate to ask for clarification, as you have done in this thread. We all have our faults and when it comes to spelling I am more than willing to admit that this is one of mine.
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 67 by truthlover, posted 06-12-2003 2:06 PM truthlover has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 70 by crashfrog, posted 06-12-2003 4:00 PM compmage has not replied
 Message 71 by truthlover, posted 06-13-2003 12:07 PM compmage has replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 73 of 78 (43104)
06-17-2003 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by truthlover
06-13-2003 12:07 PM


truthlover writes:
It's had to get better since he started doing a lot of programming, because computers are completely befuddled by misspelled words.
I'm also a programmer. I had some problems remembering to use the American spelling for many words (since that is what the compiler is expecting).
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by truthlover, posted 06-13-2003 12:07 PM truthlover has not replied

compmage
Member (Idle past 5179 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 76 of 78 (43272)
06-18-2003 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Geno
06-17-2003 9:42 PM


Re: Food Aid
Geno writes:
I imagine Compmage could enlighten us on that one...
I try not to think about that much. It boils my blood, and the fact that our president isn't doing anything about it makes it even worse. However some funny, and sad, stories sent to a local radio station about the economical situation:
Zimbabwe is probably the only country in the world where the countries largest bank note can't buy a beer at the pub.
The average toilet roll (in Zim) has about 72 of those little squares (do they have a proper name) and costs you 1000 Zim Dollars. If you had to take your 1000 and exchange it for 10's at the bank, you could keep you bottom clean for just as long and still have 280 dollars left.
I take no responsibility for the accuracy of these stories as they are quoted from memory and originally heard third hand.
------------------
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 75 by Geno, posted 06-17-2003 9:42 PM Geno has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024